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[Bayou 1 [ON] Wooded Foothills 1 Tropical Island 1 Scrubland 2 [ZEN] Forest (3) 3 [ZEN] Mountain (1) 1 [TE] Wasteland 1 [ZEN] Plains (1) 1 [RAV] Sacred Foundry 1 [WWK] Raging Ravine 1 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs 1 [ZEN] Arid Mesa 1 [ON] Windswept Heath 1 [WWK] Stirring Wildwood 1 [DIS] Blood Crypt 1 [GP] Stomping Ground 1 Taiga 1 Badlands 1 Volcanic Island 1 [FUT] Grove of the Burnwillows 1 [DK] Maze of Ith 1 Tundra 1 [UL] Treetop Village 1 [RAV] Temple Garden 1 [ZEN] Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle 1 Plateau 1 [ZEN] Island (1a) 1 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn 1 [ON] Flooded Strand 1 Savannahcan't play more manlands, because of the needed mountain count and the speed. i play many utility lands, because i can tutor them up very easy and they never hurt me (7 lands are needed for scapeshift).// Creatures 1 [ZEN] Scute Mob floodprotection, good target for ranger 1 [UL] Mother of Runes 1 [VI] River Boa 1 [CS] Jotun Grunt 1 [WWK] Dragonmaster Outcast floodprotection, good target for ranger (this one can win games on its own) 1 [SHM] Vexing Shusher testing this 1 [ALA] Woolly Thoctar 1 [PS] Flametongue Kavu 1 [ALA] Rhox War Monk 1 [CFX] Noble Hierarch 1 [ROE] Beastbreaker of Bala Ged not sure here. 3 mana is much in the early game, but late he is good 1 [TSP] Scryb Ranger can untap a few creatures, fixes mana. have to see him with cobra once 1 [DIS] Trygon Predator 1 [ARB] Bloodbraid Elf 1 [ARB] Qasali Pridemage 1 [FD] Eternal Witness 1 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic 1 [TO] Grim Lavamancer 1 [ALA] Rafiq of the Many 1 [M10] Birds of Paradise 1 [CFX] Knight of the Reliquary 1 [ALA] Sprouting Thrinax still testing 1 [ZEN] Kor Skyfisher 1 [SHM] Kitchen Finks 1 [FUT] Tarmogoyf 1 [ALA] Ranger of Eos 1 [CHK] Kami of Ancient Law is war priest of thune better? (reccuring nightmare) 1 [CHK] Sakura-Tribe Elder 1 [OD] Shadowmage Infiltrator testing 1 [ZEN] Lotus Cobra needs no test 1 [M11] Fauna Shaman needs no test 1 [LRW] Shriekmaw 1 [M10] Master of the Wild Hunt needs no test// Spells 1 [IN] Tribal Flames 1 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top 1 [M10] Lightning Bolt 1 [RAV] Putrefy 1 [ALA] Relic of Progenitus creatures just weren't enough 1 [UL] Rancor 1 [ROE] Naturalize 1 [P3] Three Visits 1 [MOR] Scapeshift 1 [UL] Crop Rotation 1 [ST] Nature's Lore 1 [DS] Sword of Light and Shadow 1 [ALA] Oblivion Ring 1 [IA] Swords to Plowshares 1 [ALA] Sarkhan Vol 1 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant 1 [EX] Recurring Nightmare 1 [RAV] Lightning Helix 1 [FD] Magma Jet 1 [ALA] Ajani Vengeant 1 [LRW] Garruk Wildspeaker 1 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice 1 [CFX] Path to Exile 1 [ZEN] Punishing Fire 1 [RAV] Farseek 1 [UL] Unearth 1 [ROE] Gideon Jura 1 [CHK] Gifts Ungiven 1 Demonic Tutor 1 [M11] Sword of Vengeance 1 Regrowth 1 [AP] Vindicateany ideas? i wonder if the sarkhan the mad is good enough.]

i love to play with scapshift and since loam is banned now, i searched for a new way to get card advantage for my naya deck. before the banning of loam the deck was guwr. the blue was in to tutor for scapeshift and to get the loam engine going. now i play all 5 colors and scapeshift still works. black gave me the best tutor and some awesome removal. if you play sacepshift you obviously have to play a certain number of mountains (i figured out that 11 is the right number). this only hurts the mana base a little bit, because of the 8 duals you can play, that are also mountains. you also have to play many lands, so that 7 lands can get onto the battlefield. to protect me from getting flooded, i play some creatures which benefit from those lands and some mana-hungry cards.

here is the list i will play, if i get cobra, master and fauna shaman:

// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
   1 [GP] Steam Vents
   1 [ZEN] Swamp (3a)
   1 Bayou
   1 [ON] Wooded Foothills
   1 Tropical Island
   1 Scrubland
   2 [ZEN] Forest (3)
   3 [ZEN] Mountain (1)
   1 [TE] Wasteland
   1 [ZEN] Plains (1)
   1 [RAV] Sacred Foundry
   1 [WWK] Raging Ravine
   1 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
   1 [ZEN] Arid Mesa
   1 [ON] Windswept Heath
   1 [WWK] Stirring Wildwood
   1 [DIS] Blood Crypt
   1 [GP] Stomping Ground
   1 Taiga
   1 Badlands
   1 Volcanic Island
   1 [FUT] Grove of the Burnwillows
   1 [DK] Maze of Ith
   1 Tundra
   1 [UL] Treetop Village
   1 [RAV] Temple Garden
   1 [ZEN] Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
   1 Plateau
   1 [ZEN] Island (1a)
   1 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
   1 [ON] Flooded Strand
   1 Savannah

can't play more manlands, because of the needed mountain count and the speed. i play many utility lands, because i can tutor them up very easy and they never hurt me (7 lands are needed for scapeshift).

// Creatures
   1 [ZEN] Scute Mob                  floodprotection, good target for ranger
   1 [UL] Mother of Runes      
   1 [VI] River Boa              
   1 [CS] Jotun Grunt            
   1 [WWK] Dragonmaster Outcast            floodprotection, good target for ranger (this one can win games on its own)
   1 [SHM] Vexing Shusher             testing this
   1 [ALA] Woolly Thoctar
   1 [PS] Flametongue Kavu
   1 [ALA] Rhox War Monk
   1 [CFX] Noble Hierarch
   1 [ROE] Beastbreaker of Bala Ged             not sure here. 3 mana is much in the early game, but late he is good
   1 [TSP] Scryb Ranger               can untap a few creatures, fixes mana. have to see him with cobra once
   1 [DIS] Trygon Predator
   1 [ARB] Bloodbraid Elf
   1 [ARB] Qasali Pridemage
   1 [FD] Eternal Witness
   1 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
   1 [TO] Grim Lavamancer
   1 [ALA] Rafiq of the Many
   1 [M10] Birds of Paradise
   1 [CFX] Knight of the Reliquary
   1 [ALA] Sprouting Thrinax               still testing
   1 [ZEN] Kor Skyfisher  
   1 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
   1 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
   1 [ALA] Ranger of Eos
   1 [CHK] Kami of Ancient Law              is war priest of thune better? (reccuring nightmare)
   1 [CHK] Sakura-Tribe Elder
   1 [OD] Shadowmage Infiltrator            testing
   1 [ZEN] Lotus Cobra                needs no test
   1 [M11] Fauna Shaman               needs no test
   1 [LRW] Shriekmaw
   1 [M10] Master of the Wild Hunt          needs no test

// Spells
   1 [IN] Tribal Flames              
   1 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top      
   1 [M10] Lightning Bolt
   1 [RAV] Putrefy
   1 [ALA] Relic of Progenitus              creatures just weren't enough
   1 [UL] Rancor
   1 [ROE] Naturalize
   1 [P3] Three Visits
   1 [MOR] Scapeshift
   1 [UL] Crop Rotation
   1 [ST] Nature's Lore
   1 [DS] Sword of Light and Shadow
   1 [ALA] Oblivion Ring
   1 [IA] Swords to Plowshares
   1 [ALA] Sarkhan Vol
   1 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant
   1 [EX] Recurring Nightmare
   1 [RAV] Lightning Helix
   1 [FD] Magma Jet
   1 [ALA] Ajani Vengeant
   1 [LRW] Garruk Wildspeaker
   1 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice
   1 [CFX] Path to Exile
   1 [ZEN] Punishing Fire
   1 [RAV] Farseek
   1 [UL] Unearth
   1 [ROE] Gideon Jura
   1 [CHK] Gifts Ungiven
   1 Demonic Tutor
   1 [M11] Sword of Vengeance
   1 Regrowth
   1 [AP] Vindicate

any ideas? i wonder if the sarkhan the mad is good enough.

why dont you play aether vial? i used to play boros and i didnt play it in there, but in zoo it seems to be stronger. i just want an opinion from the zoo players.

[Winter Orb 1 [MR] Mask of Memory 1 [RAV] Lightning Helix 1 [TSP] Rift Bolt 1 [RAV] Char 1 [TSP] Griffin Guide 1 [LRW] Oblivion Ring 1 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice 1 [DS] Sword of Light and Shadow 1 [FD] Grafted Wargear 1 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant 1 [M10] Ajani Goldmane 1 [A] Armageddon 1 [SC] Sulfuric Vortex 1 [NE] Parallax Wave 1 [ALA] Ajani Vengeant]

hi everyone. this is my actual boros deck.
i am still not totaly satisfied with it (partly because ravages of war ist still missing).

i give you some statistics:
-16 cmc1 creatures, 16 cmc2 creatures, 3 cmc3 creatures, 1 cmc4 creature, 1 cmc5 creature -->37 total
-10 cmc1 spells, 10 cmc2 spells, 7 cmc3 spells, 5 cmc5 spells -->32 total
-8 basic plains, 6 basic mountains, 7 fetchlands, 3 colorless lands. 22 sources of white mana, 18 sources of red mana.

cards i would like to include:
-stonecloaker (to have a second out against opposing graveyards). I am wondering if he is good enough: will i be able often enough to cast him and return another creture? is he too expensive? do i even need another solution against graveyards?
-cataclysm (budget ravages of war).
-journey to nowhere (handles big creatures which i can kill only with path, sword and oring)

cards i could cut:
- ajani goldmane. its bad on an empty board, but great if i have 2+ creatures
- cerodon yearling. no evasion, but haste. vigilance is not soooo important.

// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
   1 [JGC] Mishra's Factory
   1 [MOR] Mutavault
   1 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
   1 [ON] Wooded Foothills
   1 [TSP] Flagstones of Trokair
   1 [TE] Wasteland
   1 [ON] Flooded Strand
   1 [ON] Windswept Heath
   1 [ZEN] Arid Mesa
   1 [A] Plateau
   1 [9E] Battlefield Forge
   1 [AN] City of Brass
   1 [RAV] Sacred Foundry
   1 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
   6 [ZEN] Mountain (1)
   1 [EVE] Rugged Prairie
   8 [ZEN] Plains (1)
   1 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
   1 [LG] Karakas

// Creatures
   1 [SHM] Tattermunge Maniac
   1 [EVE] Figure of Destiny
   1 [ZEN] Goblin Bushwhacker
   1 [TO] Grim Lavamancer
   1 [TE] Soltari Foot Soldier
   1 [M10] Elite Vanguard
   1 [UL] Mother of Runes
   1 [A] Savannah Lions
   1 [CHK] Isamaru, Hound of Konda
   1 [LE] Deftblade Elite
   1 [CHK] Lantern Kami
   1 [LRW] Goldmeadow Harrier
   1 [CHK] Hearth Kami
   1 [CFX] Hellspark Elemental
   1 [TE] Soltari Trooper
   1 [CHK] Kami of Ancient Law
   1 [CS] Jotun Grunt
   1 [M10] Stormfront Pegasus
   1 [ZEN] Kor Skyfisher
   1 [ARB] Cerodon Yearling
   1 [TSP] Serra Avenger
   1 [ZEN] Kor Aeronaut
   1 [LRW] Knight of Meadowgrain
   1 [TE] Soltari Monk
   1 [TE] Soltari Priest
   1 [ALA] Knight of the White Orchid
   1 [EVE] Flickerwisp
   1 [FUT] Magus of the Moon
   1 [FUT] Aven Mindcensor
   1 [ALA] Ranger of Eos
   1 [MR] Arc-Slogger
   1 [ZEN] Goblin Guide
   1 [DIS] Mistral Charger
   1 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
   1 [10E] Suntail Hawk
   1 [ROE] Student of Warfare
   1 [ON] Weathered Wayfarer

// Spells
   1 [ARE] Bonesplitter
   1 [TE] Cursed Scroll
   1 [LG] Chain Lightning
   1 [M10] Lightning Bolt
   1 [ZEN] Burst Lightning
   1 [OD] Firebolt
   1 [FNM] Swords to Plowshares
   1 [M10] Harm's Way
   1 [CFX] Path to Exile
   1 [IA] Incinerate
   1 [P2] Volcanic Hammer
   1 [FD] Magma Jet
   1 [TSP] Sudden Shock
   1 [EX] Price of Progress
   1 [M10] Honor of the Pure
   1 [TSB] Disenchant
   1 Winter Orb
   1 [MR] Mask of Memory
   1 [RAV] Lightning Helix
   1 [TSP] Rift Bolt
   1 [RAV] Char
   1 [TSP] Griffin Guide
   1 [LRW] Oblivion Ring
   1 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice
   1 [DS] Sword of Light and Shadow
   1 [FD] Grafted Wargear
   1 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant
   1 [M10] Ajani Goldmane
   1 [A] Armageddon
   1 [SC] Sulfuric Vortex
   1 [NE] Parallax Wave
   1 [ALA] Ajani Vengeant

i have to leave the current hll season because i have no time for playing. sorry for those who have to still play me.

I think tabris made a good point. It would be better for our format, if more people can decide on bannings.

A possibility could be that each guy in the council has 1 vote and the community has 1 vote...

[Winter Orb 1 [MR] Mask of Memory 1 [RAV] Lightning Helix-cc3: 1 [JU] Browbeat 1 [TSP] Rift Bolt 1 [RAV] Char 1 [TSP] Griffin Guide 1 [LRW] Oblivion Ring 1 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice 1 [DS] Sword of Light and Shadow 1 [FD] Grafted Wargear 1 Sulfuric vortex-cc4: 1 [EX] Cataclysm 1 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant 1 [M10] Ajani Goldmane 1 [A] Armageddoni need to find a slot for parallax wave. any ideas what i could cut? [not browbeat! ;-) ]i am not so sure about:-aven aquire. is he good or should i replace him by a 2/1 flyer?-griffin guide: everybody says he is great. but wont another creature be better?-tithe/land tax: sometimes i open with a land tax and than i can only start attacking turn 3. i think it slows down the deck. on the other side it has good synergies with the ld cards.-flickerwispthoughts are welcome]

// Lands
   1 [JGC] Mishra's Factory
   1 [MOR] Mutavault
   1 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
   1 [ON] Wooded Foothills
   1 [TSP] Flagstones of Trokair
   1 [TE] Wasteland
   1 [ON] Flooded Strand
   1 [ON] Windswept Heath
   1 [ZEN] Arid Mesa
   1 [A] Plateau
   1 [9E] Battlefield Forge
   1 [AN] City of Brass
   1 [RAV] Sacred Foundry
   1 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
   6 [ZEN] Mountain (1)
   1 [EVE] Rugged Prairie
   9 [ZEN] Plains (1)
   1 [ZEN] Marsh Flats

// Creatures
-cc1:
   1 [SHM] Tattermunge Maniac
   1 [EVE] Figure of Destiny
   1 [ZEN] Goblin Bushwhacker
   1 [TO] Grim Lavamancer
   1 [TE] Soltari Foot Soldier
   1 [ALA] Akrasan Squire
   1 [M10] Elite Vanguard
   1 [UL] Mother of Runes
   1 [A] Savannah Lions
   1 [CHK] Isamaru, Hound of Konda
   1 [LE] Deftblade Elite
   1 [CHK] Lantern Kami
   1 [LRW] Goldmeadow Harrier
    1 Goblin guide
-cc2:
   1 [CHK] Hearth Kami
   1 [CFX] Hellspark Elemental
   1 [TE] Soltari Trooper
   1 [CHK] Kami of Ancient Law
   1 [CS] Jotun Grunt
   1 [CFX] Aven Squire
   1 [M10] Stormfront Pegasus
   1 [ZEN] Kor Skyfisher
   1 [ARB] Cerodon Yearling
   1 [TSP] Serra Avenger
   1 [ZEN] Kor Aeronaut
   1 [LRW] Knight of Meadowgrain
   1 [TE] Soltari Monk
   1 [TE] Soltari Priest
   1 [ALA] Knight of the White Orchid
-cc3:
   1 [EVE] Flickerwisp
   1 [FUT] Magus of the Moon
   1 [FUT] Aven Mindcensor
-cc4:
   1 [ALA] Ranger of Eos
-cc4:
   1 [MR] Arc-Slogger

// Spells
-cc1:
   1 [DS] AEther Vial
   1 [ARE] Bonesplitter
   1 [TE] Cursed Scroll
   1 [LG] Chain Lightning
   1 [M10] Lightning Bolt
   1 [ZEN] Burst Lightning
   1 [OD] Firebolt
   1 [FNM] Swords to Plowshares
   1 [LG] Land Tax
   1 [VI] Tithe
   1 [M10] Harm's Way
   1 [CFX] Path to Exile
-cc2:
   1 [IA] Incinerate
   1 [P2] Volcanic Hammer
   1 [FD] Magma Jet
   1 [TSP] Sudden Shock
   1 [EX] Price of Progress
   1 [M10] Honor of the Pure
   1 [TSB] Disenchant
   1 Winter Orb
   1 [MR] Mask of Memory
   1 [RAV] Lightning Helix
-cc3:
   1 [JU] Browbeat
   1 [TSP] Rift Bolt
   1 [RAV] Char
   1 [TSP] Griffin Guide
   1 [LRW] Oblivion Ring
   1 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice
   1 [DS] Sword of Light and Shadow
   1 [FD] Grafted Wargear
    1 Sulfuric vortex
-cc4:
   1 [EX] Cataclysm
   1 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant
   1 [M10] Ajani Goldmane
   1 [A] Armageddon

i need to find a slot for parallax wave. any ideas what i could cut? [not browbeat! ;-)  ]
i am not so sure about:
-aven aquire. is he good or should i replace him by a 2/1 flyer?
-griffin guide: everybody says he is great. but wont another creature be better?
-tithe/land tax: sometimes i open with a land tax and than i can only start attacking turn 3. i think it slows down the deck. on the other side it has good synergies with the ld cards.
-flickerwisp

thoughts are welcome

-i think 34 lands are too much.
-terramorphic expanse is too slow-->you dont want to have a land that comes into play tapped
-steppe lynx is only good, if you can trigger it every turn. but if you cut the lands (what i suggest, it is not good)
-i would play more 1 drops
-kazandu blademaster: has no evasion
-kitchen finks: no evasion. it's only usefull against other aggro decks
-Stillmoon Cavalier: too expensive
-Black Vise: only good if you drop it turn 1, or after you have destroyed all lands
-Lava Spike: doesn't kill creatures
-banefire: too expensive


-cards that you could consider playing:

-arc-slogger: very good topdeck, can attack for 4 and "shock" multiple times
-ajani goldmane: pumps your team and you can block
-sulfuric vortex: very good. stops opponents finks. "shocks" every turn. i would play this in place of Flames of the Blood Hand
-kor skyfisher: helps fix your mana, attacks for 2, returns kavu and ranger (and Goblin Bushwhacker )
-Goblin Bushwhacker: i just started playing him and he is awesome (see standard decks)

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