How about a forum league?
I've had the same idea :P. Maybe it could have even an advertising effect for this forum. Shouldn't be a big effort to organize such a league.
Just a few thoughts to such a league:
- Playing via MWS Online Play,
- one match each week per player,
- no decklists (if you like just make a deck-check after the games),
- the players arrange the games self-dependently,
- the players post afterwards the results,
- no more than two games vs the same opponent per season
- a season takes 12 weeks,
I've already spoken to Sturmgott about my plan to organize a league but he is a bit afraid if MWS is what the players want and if the Online-Tourney will be a success, cause there is almost no feed-back of the community yet. So let's wait till the tourney is over and let's see what happened there.
If i win anything there will be a prize support for a league too ;)
Quote from: Vazdru on 06-09-2007, 08:17:25 PM
I've had the same idea :P. Maybe it could have even an advertising effect for this forum. Shouldn't be a big effort to organize such a league.
Just a few thoughts to such a league:
- Playing via MWS Online Play,
- one match each week per player,
- no decklists (if you like just make a deck-check after the games),
- the players arrange the games self-dependently,
- the players post afterwards the results,
- no more than two games vs the same opponent per season
- a season takes 12 weeks,
I've already spoken to Sturmgott about my plan to organize a league but he is a bit afraid if MWS is what the players want and if the Online-Tourney will be a success, cause there is almost no feed-back of the community yet. So let's wait till the tourney is over and let's see what happened there.
If i win anything there will be a prize support for a league too ;)
yeap, thats what i´ve been thinking.. a tourney requires a lot of ppl playing at the same day, at the same hour.. so its more dificult gatherer all the ppl.
Some further thoughts:
- Scoring: Win vs. higher ranked player: 3p, Win vs. equal and lower ranked player: 2p, Draw: 1p, Loss: -1p
- Challenge: Opportunity to challenge a higher ranked player, 3 challenges per player and season, you can't challenge an already challenged player
- Challenge Day: If two player are unable to find a common date for the match during the week, both competitors have to play on sunday, 18.00 o'clock; if only one competitor is ready that one receives the points
- Late Join: Opportunity to join a running season after x weeks, joining player receives x/2 add. challenge-calls, can make x weeks one add. game each week
- Start Season 1: Monday, October 1st
- End Season 1: Sunday, December 23rd
- Vacation period: a player can announce a vacation period (2 weeks) in which he can't be challenged
- K-Value: 4
Hopefully not too complicated ??? ;D
well, i dont think a loss just be -1... this might scare away ppl from playing.. a think zero points for losing is already bad :P
The idea of a league sounds good to me. But I think, one match per week is too much for me (Magic isn't soccer *fg*). I would be part of the league, if we could arrange one match every two weeks. I think that would be enough. There is another life outside beyond Magic ;).
Greetings,
Sascha
Quote from: Whistler
The idea of a league sounds good to me. But I think, one match per week is too much for me (Magic isn't soccer *fg*).
- max. one match each week per player
or max. 12 matches a season - so you can decide more flexibly when you wanna play your matches (e. g. 2 matches on a single weekend)
Quote from: Mytrandir
well, i dont think a loss just be -1... this might scare away ppl from playing.. a think zero points for losing is already bad Tongue
Someone who plays more often than another shouldn't have an advantage by that. That's why i've thought about -1p per loss as penalty. Thereby it doesn't matter if a player plays one match every two weeks or two (one win is better than one win + one loss ;)); i think this method is better than reducing the maximum match-count every two weeks to 1
well, i think the league players should be playing the same number of games... or at least have a maximum number of games per league.. so that in the end.. the player with the most games, doesnt win...
as for the more than life to magic.. i think a round per week isnt that much.. you dont even have to play the 3 rounds in the same day.. so... i dont think thats too much
Quote from: Mythrandir on 11-09-2007, 11:36:28 PM
well, i think the league players should be playing the same number of games... or at least have a maximum number of games per league.. so that in the end.. the player with the most games, doesnt win...
as for the more than life to magic.. i think a round per week isnt that much.. you dont even have to play the 3 rounds in the same day.. so... i dont think thats too much
I'd be up for this rather than tourneys. Wit the children it's difficult to find long periods to play but I can do 1 hour blocks every now and then. I just have to download MWS now and figure out how to use it! lol.
I'll be playing from France so same time zone as Germany
Quote from: zimagic on 12-09-2007, 05:29:12 PM
Quote from: Mythrandir on 11-09-2007, 11:36:28 PM
well, i think the league players should be playing the same number of games... or at least have a maximum number of games per league.. so that in the end.. the player with the most games, doesnt win...
as for the more than life to magic.. i think a round per week isnt that much.. you dont even have to play the 3 rounds in the same day.. so... i dont think thats too much
I'd be up for this rather than tourneys. Wit the children it's difficult to find long periods to play but I can do 1 hour blocks every now and then. I just have to download MWS now and figure out how to use it! lol.
I'll be playing from France so same time zone as Germany
yeap, its easier than a tournament, this requires probably a full day, a league requires a couple of hours per week, but i think that both formats are welcomed. lets see if the rest of the forum users discuss this, and what will be the tournament sucess. :)
MWS is easy, i think there's a tutorial somewhere around here.. see the topic/page about the online tournament
Summary:
- Platform: Magic Workstation 0.94f
- Registration: Free for everyone, registration period will start 070922; possibility to join a running season
- Season starts: 071001
- Season ends: 071223
- Participant: Play 12 best-of-three matches, no more than two matches vs. the same opponent, no more than two matches a week
- Decklists: not necessary, opponent may have a deck-check after the games
- Scoring: Win vs. higher ranked player: 3p, Win vs. equal and lower ranked player: 2p, Draw: 1p, Loss: 0p
- Schedule: no fixed dates, players arrange the games self-dependently and report the result
- Prizes: will be announced
Do we need a challenge-system? Some notes or changes?
Registration:
Surname, Name, Country, ICQ Number, Highlander Player No. if available
how will the pairings be done?
or a player just challenge another? i would prefer randomly...
count me in:
Matos, João, Portugal, 378577689, no HL number
p.s.. i´ve never used ICQ before, and i will only used to play in ther tournament...
Quote from: Mythrandir on 14-09-2007, 11:39:18 PM
how will the pairings be done?
or a player just challenge another? i would prefer randomly...
Quote from: Vazdru
Schedule: no fixed dates, players arrange the games self-dependently and report the result
I've thought about two possibilities:
A) Two player of the league just arrange a meeting for playing their game.
-> everyone is free how often he wanna play in one single week (0-1-2 games)
-> to schedule a game should be quite easy via board, ICQ, MSN ... so you don't need to have a fixed "game-day"
-> the restrictions (max. 2 matches vs. 1 opponent, max. 2 matches in a week) are made to have a great scope of pairings in the league
B) A player challenge a higher ranked participant of the league.
-> Do we need to have a possibility for lower ranked player to advance in the ranking by challenging a higher ranked participant? - i think so.
Random pairings would have some disadvantages:
-> what are the consequences if two player do not find a common date for playing
-> what happens if there is an impair player-number in the league
-> what happens if someone is on a trip for two or three weeks or maybe ill
I think random pairings in such a league could be complicated ...
hmmm... those are complications indeed, but in case of illness or holidays... that match would be postponed..
i would prefer random pairings in order for everybody to play.. if they need to challenge players, perhaps it will pull away somes players... the biggest problem is the number not being even... =/
i think we should hear from other ppl.. what they have to say, perhaps a poll?
Okay, I would play the league, if there are enough players within it. I think a minimum of 8 players should be.
Random pairings are okay, but I think it's harder to find matching dates for the players.
Naumann, Sascha, Germany, 84503140, 0064
Greetings,
Sascha
Of course I would play, too.
Frank Topel, 91309598, Germany. :)
- Platform: Magic Workstation 0.94f
- Registration: Free for everyone, registration period will start 070922; possibility to join a running season
- Season starts: 071001 but not before 8 player joined the league
- Season ends: 071223
- Participant: Play 12 best-of-three matches, no more than two matches vs. the same opponent, no more than two matches a week
- Decklists: not necessary, opponent may have a deck-check after the games
- Scoring: Win vs. higher ranked player: 3p, Win vs. equal and lower ranked player: 2p, Draw: 1p, Loss: 0p
- Pairings: Randomly, every week two pairings per player will be announced, matches must be played within six weeks
- Prizes: will be announced
How we get the random pairings? We should find someone outside the league for that - sounds complicated again :P
Taking part:
Stahl, Gerry, ICQ # 145444190, HL # 0089 :P
At least one friend of mine will join the league soon.
Quote from: Vazdru on 15-09-2007, 09:35:46 PM
How we get the random pairings? We should find someone outside the league for that - sounds complicated again :P
isnt there an application that does those kind of things?
or with a pen and paper and person we trust.. :)
or perhaps a league where everybody would play with everybody. no? (too long, perhaps... =/)
Quote from: Mythrandir on 16-09-2007, 02:23:34 PM
isnt there an application that does those kind of things?
sure, but someone has to deal with
or with a pen and paper and person we trust.. :)
a person outside the league, like i said ;P
or perhaps a league where everybody would play with everybody. no? (too long, perhaps... =/)
a possibility, but it depends how many guys wanna play in such a league - i think a fixed no. of games is the better choice
Burke, Owen, ICQ # (noob q: what's an ICQ?)
It's the ICQ-number. Get one at www.icq.com :)
ICQ is by far the most popular instant messaging program.
Quote from: Sturmgott on 20-09-2007, 12:44:43 AM
It's the ICQ-number. Get one at www.icq.com :)
ICQ is by far the most popular instant messaging program.
How necessary is this for the league? I already have IM, mail etc etc.
Ok, I got this ICQ thingy going.
I'm # 485062880
how many players left to complete the 8?
Quote from: Mythrandir on 21-09-2007, 10:51:13 PM
how many players left to complete the 8?
3 are missing
[HLL]PairingsPairings will be announced each Sunday starting with 070930 if at least 8 players joined HLL, otherwise Sunday after 8th player joined.
Assumption 1 (A1): No more than 12 parings in one season.
Assumption 2 (A2): No more than two matches (best-of-three) vs. the same opponent.
Assumption 3 (A3): No more than two pairings each week per player.
Step 1: Create a sorted player list (ascending) each sunday. Using
- ICQ Number (1. week)
- Surname (2. week)
- Ranking in HLL (3. week)
- Nickname on MP.org (4. week)
- Checksum ICQ Number (5. week)
- Ranking MPL (6. week)
- Forename (7. week)
- Back starting on top (8. week)
Step 2: Pairings will be made starting with top player of the list.
Pairing 1:
Player 1 (P1) if violation A1 or A2 â€" go to P2
P1 vs Pn/2 (rounded down) +1 (with n = number of players actually in the league)
If violation A3
P1 vs Pn/2 +2
If violation A3
P1 vs Pn/2 +3 ….
Pairing 2:
….(see example below ;))
ExampleA league with 11 Players: Austin, Richard, Charlie, William, Greg, Chuck, Michael, Marvin, Winston, Patrick, Norman
Sorted List (ascend)
P1= Austin
P2= Charlie
P3= Chuck
P4= Greg
P5= Marvin
P6= Michael
P7= Norman
P8= Patrick
P9= Richard
P10=William
P11=Winston
Parings:
P1 vs P6 und P7
P2 vs P7 und P8
P3 vs P8 und P9
P4 vs P9 und P10
P5 vs P10 und P11
P6 vs P11
Three days left for bringing in your own ideas :)
Afterwards i do not want to hear any complaints ;D
Do you have any suggestions to improve our League a bit?
Quote from: Vazdru on 31-08-2008, 02:20:36 PM
Do you have any suggestions to improve our League a bit?
i think our biggest problem remains the lack of "constant" players. we had 1 early drop and others excluded for not playing enough games. other than that is quite competitive.
I have 2 sugestions.
1) since we´re starting the IV league, IMO it would be nice to have an overall ranking (all 3 league + further leagues)
2) i dont know exactly how the pairings are the done, but it´d be nice if we played with every player, ate least 1 game (perhaps like a footbal league, where every team/player has to play the same team/player twice, no more, no less...)
any comments?
Quote from: VazdruDo you have any suggestions to improve our League a bit?
Not itself to the league but:
People should not clutter the forums and encourage others on the same behaviour by adding irrevelant noise in form: "I am available in the ICQ tonight from 6 pm. to 9 pm. Message me if you want to play".
A small nitpick but irritating if everyone started doing it: one can see when you're online and ask if you're willing to play.
Quote from: pyyhttu on 31-08-2008, 06:51:46 PM
Quote from: VazdruDo you have any suggestions to improve our League a bit?
Not itself to the league but:
People should not clutter the forums and encourage others on the same behaviour by adding irrevelant noise in form: "I am available in the ICQ tonight from 6 pm. to 9 pm. Message me if you want to play".
A small nitpick but irritating if everyone started doing it: one can see when you're online and ask if you're willing to play.
i think ppl started doing that because they were having trouble arranging a common date, at least for me it was quite difficult to set up some of the matches... =/
but i can understand your point.
Quote from: Mythrandir on 31-08-2008, 05:26:40 PM
Quote from: Vazdru on 31-08-2008, 02:20:36 PM
Do you have any suggestions to improve our League a bit?
1) since we´re starting the IV league, IMO it would be nice to have an overall ranking (all 3 league + further leagues)
any comments?
There will be a [HLL]Ladder soon. Each day i spend round 10 min to key in the results. I use the official DCI-Rating-Calculator. The K-Value of the League is 16. Over 30 games are recorded already. Each player with at least 5 games will be listed in our ladder.
There will be a [HLL]Ladder soon. Each day i spend round 10 min to key in the results. I use the official DCI-Rating-Calculator. The K-Value of the League is 16. Over 30 games are recorded already. Each player with at least 5 games will be listed in our ladder.
Hey Vazdru -
As I think I've mentioned elsewhere, I'm involved in a local group that meets monthly (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/njveteranmages/). For the past couple of years I've been using a "bootleg" copy of DCI Reporter (V2.x) to work the tournaments (pairings, standings, etc.). That version of the software also has an option to calculate DCI Ratings even for unsanctioned events (which all of ours are).
So I recently applied to be a Magic Coordinator, which allowed me to officially download the new version of DCI Reporter (V3.x). The only trouble is, it does NOT allow DCI ratings to be calculated for unsanctioned events.
My question is: do you use a software program to do your DCI ratings calculations? If so, could I trouble you to either steer me towards a source OR send a copy my way?