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Can you post a updated list for the Titan Oath version?

Essah

Hi everybody,
i´m looking for a new list of Tokenmania (Naya Version), but I only found this old topic http://www.magicplayer.org/forum/index.php?topic=112.0
Is there a new list with Elspeth Tirel and the other new "good stuff"?

Essah

I don´t know if i should play Terastodon or Woodfall Primus in my build with 7 Husks and Gifts + Intuition.
Terastodon can destroy 3 risky cards but with Wooldfall Primus your Opponent doesn´t get the elephants.

The same question: Sun Titan or Grave Titan?
Pro Sun Titan: can combo with some cards (Saffi,Animate Dead, etc.)
               better vs. board control decks

Pro Grave Titan: good pattern target vs. aggro if we have no sac effect
                 opponent needs another kind of "Grave hate"

Is there a card i can´t see or why is Green Sun´s Zenit a good card for this deck?
It fetchs only green Creatures (mana dorks, Qasali, Finks, KotR, Witness)
There are only Fauna Shaman and Ravenous Baloth for the Combo( I think is it not for fetching Hulk with 8 mana).

[Demonic Tutor 1 [TE] Intuition 1 [CHK] Gifts Ungiven 1 [MM] Bribery 1 [TSP] Ancestral Vision 1 [FNM] Deep Analysis 1 [IN] Fact or Fiction 1 Regrowth 1 [RAV] Life from the Loam 1 [NE] Daze 1 [UL] Miscalculation 1 [SH] Mana Leak 1 [AP] Evasive Action 1 [RAV] Remand 1 [FNM] Counterspell 1 [AL] Force of Will 1 [IA] Swords to Plowshares 1 [CFX] Path to Exile 1 [M10] Doom Blade 1 [TO] Chainer's Edict 1 [ARB] Maelstrom Pulse 1 [RAV] Putrefy 1 [TSP] Krosan Grip 1 [ROE] Consuming VaporsHow can i replace Lftl?I want to include Vidicate, Jace 2.0, Mox Diamond, Vendilion Clique.What can I cut?Do you know a (instant)removel better than Doom Blade?Any other ideas?Essah]

// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
        5 [UNH] Forest
        5 [UNH] Island
        2 [UNH] Plains
        2 [UNH] Swamp
        1 [R] Tundra
        1 [R] Underground Sea
   1 [R] Tropical Island
   1 [R] Bayou
   1 [R] Savannah
   1 [R] Scrubland
   1 [DIS] Hallowed Fountain
   1 [RAV] Watery Grave
   1 [DIS] Breeding Pool
        1 [RAV] Overgrown Tomb
   1 [WWK] Stirring Wildwood
   1 [ON] Flooded Strand
   1 [ON] Polluted Delta
   1 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
   1 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
   1 [ON] Windswept Heath
   1 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
        1 [TE] Wasteland
   1 [ON] Lonely Sandbar
        1 [ON] Tranquil Thicket   
        1 [SH] Volrath's Stronghold
   
   
// Creatures

   1 [ROE] Enclave Cryptologist
   1 [WWK] Arbor Elf
   1 [7E] Birds of Paradise
   1 [CFX] Noble Hierarch      
   
   1 [RAV] Dark Confidant
   1 [LRW] Shriekmaw
   1 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
   1 [ARB] Qasali Pridemage
   1 [ALA] Tidehollow Sculler
   
   1 [FUT] Aven Mindcensor
   1 [ON] Exalted Angel
   1 [LRW] Mirror Entity
   1 [LRW] Mulldrifter
   1 [FD] Trinket Mage   
   1 [FD] Eternal Witness
   1 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
   1 [CFX] Knight of the Reliquary
   
   1 [EVE] Glen Elendra Archmage
   1 [FUT] Venser, Shaper Savant
   1 [LRW] Sower of Temptation
   1 [EX] Spike Weaver
   1 [ON] Ravenous Baloth
   1 [RAV] Loxodon Hierarch
   1 [CS] Zur the Enchanter
   
   1 [M10] Baneslayer Angel
   1 [MOR] Reveillark
   1 [PLC] Body Double
   1 [JU] Genesis
        1 [ON] Gigapede
   
   
// Spells

   1 [FD] Engineered Explosives
   1 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
   1 [WL] Phyrexian Furnace
   
   1 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice
   1 [DS] Sword of Light and Shadow
   
   1 [LRW] Oblivion Ring
   1 [US] Back to Basics
   1 [ON] Oversold Cemetery
   1 [EX] Recurring Nightmare
   1 [AP] Phyrexian Arena
        1 [TE] Earthcraft
        1 [OD] Squirrel Nest   
        1 [AP] Pernicious Deed   
   
        1 [MI] Worldly Tutor
        1 Demonic Tutor
        1 [TE] Intuition
        1 [CHK] Gifts Ungiven
        1 [MM] Bribery
   
        1 [TSP] Ancestral Vision
        1 [FNM] Deep Analysis
   1 [IN] Fact or Fiction
   
   1 Regrowth
   1 [RAV] Life from the Loam
   
   1 [NE] Daze
   1 [UL] Miscalculation
   1 [SH] Mana Leak
   1 [AP] Evasive Action
        1 [RAV] Remand
   1 [FNM] Counterspell
   1 [AL] Force of Will
   
   1 [IA] Swords to Plowshares
   1 [CFX] Path to Exile
   1 [M10] Doom Blade
   1 [TO] Chainer's Edict
   1 [ARB] Maelstrom Pulse
   1 [RAV] Putrefy
        1 [TSP] Krosan Grip
   1 [ROE] Consuming Vapors

How can i replace Lftl?
I want to include Vidicate, Jace 2.0, Mox Diamond, Vendilion Clique.
What can I cut?
Do you know a (instant)removel better than Doom Blade?
Any other ideas?

Essah

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Furthermore I added to the list:
Isochron Scepter
+ Orim's Chant
+ Angel's Grace

Now let's come to Isochron Scepter + Metamorphose:
I prefer this Combo because it shields itself a bit.
Orim's Chant allows your opponent to cast Instants(like Shatter, Naturalize etc.) and draw cards.

Orim's Chant is the best card to put into a Scepter, pretty much bar none. No other card locks the opponent out of the game so completely.

Hmm, i cannot understand this point. The big disadvantage of Orim's Chant is that your opponent is able to draw new cards and to play instants. Of course the Chant is pretty good but in my opinion in most cases the Metamorphose is much better because your opponent has to play with the cards he already has in game or hand. Of course he could draw cards if he has a spell which allows him to do so but in many cases he is completely locked and unable to remove the combo, which is more than orim's chant can do.

Add Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir and you have a hardlock with Scepter-Chant.

The answer to the "What to cut?" question comes when you decide whether to do control or combo. Gifts-Survival is an archetype that generally has lots of elements from both, but some of your cards are blatantly combo (black reanimation spells), some blatantly control (Loam, Looter, Teeg etc.). There's even the odd aggro card, like Rafiq.

The Reanimation is for Gifts and you can chose Creatures in any grave.
Rafiq is only a Surveival target if i must finish in time. And he´s Insane with Lifelink.

As far as Reveillark combo goes, I'd prefer Nantuko Husk and Carrion Feeder to Mirror Entity, at least if you're going to run one or the other. They protect your guys from RFG removal, and provide a one-turn win condition by becoming arbitarily huge.

I chose Mirror Entity because you cant stop the Combo with Removel. If you run Husk you sac the Body Double-Lark and in response to the returntrigger your opponent kill the Husk or Fedder. With Entity you can do funny things with Darkheart Sliver, Necrotic Sliver and Ravenous Baloth. And Mirror Entity is good for Beatdown,too.

You're running Crypt Champion and Saffi Eriksdotter, yet the only thing I can see that benefits from the recursion engine is Caller of the Claw, which is a bit narrow IMHO.

Yes, there is only the Caller. I could add some Lifecreature like Soulwarden but if i draw Soulwarden without the Combo, i have only a ranom 1/1 dork. The Caller is great agianst Massremovel and after Combat you have 3 or 4 new Guys on board. The other Combo Pieces are even good without the combo. Saffi is a friend of Evoke and dying CiP EtB Creatures. Crypt Champion is not as good as Saffi or Caller but you can use your Wittnes/Boneshredder/Psychatog/Rhox Warmonk/... agian and they are all good creatures. And the best is that they are all 2/2 and Lark targets.

Darkheart Sliver and Harmonic Sliver are good creatures on their own, but I'm a bit hesitant about Necrotic Sliver. You wanted Vindicate in the deck. Run it instead of the copycat Sliver.

I know Vindicate is better but you cant search it with Surveival or return it with Lark or Crypt Champion. Maybe i could play both Sliver and Vindicate?


I'm running a somewhat similar list myself, check it out if you could find some ideas.

I'm new here and could need some tips for my Deck:

Lands(35):
Hallowed Fountain
Temple Garden
Watery Grave
Overgrown Tomb
Marsh Flats
Verdant Catacombs
Misty Rainforest
Scalding Tarn
Arid Mesa
Flood Plain
Bad River
Secluded Steppe
Lonely Sandbar
Tranquil Thicket
Mishras Factory
Volrath´s Stronghold
Ghost Quarter I know Wasteland is better but i have only Ghost Quarter
Sunpetal Grove
Glacial Fortress
Drowned Catacomb
Murmuring Bosk
Gilt-Leaf Palace
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Plains
4 Island
1 Swamp
4 Forest


Creatures(41):

cc1(02):
Llanowar Elves
Birds of Paradise

cc2(06):
Merfolk Looter
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Gaddock Teeg
Saffi Eriksdotter
Qasali Pridemage
Darkheart Sliver

cc3(14):
Mirror Entity
Boneshredder
Squee, Goblin Nabob
Caller of the Claw
Eternal Witness
Yavimaya Elder
Spike Feeder
Harmonic Sliver
Necrotic Sliver
Kitchen Finks
Psychatog
Rhox Warmonk
Hunting Trygon
Man-o´-War

cc4(11):
Solemn Simularcum
Venser, Shaper Savant
Sower of Temptation
Glen Elendra Archmage
Crypt Champion
Ravenous Baloth
Chameleon Colossus
Loxodon Hierarch
Rafiq of the Many
Mystic Snake

cc5(08):
Reveillark
Baneslayer Angel
Karmic Guide
Body Double
Mulldrifter
Shrickmaw
Genesis
Deranged Hermit

cc6(01):
Yosei, the Morning Star


Spells(27):

cc1(09):
Swords to Plowshare
Path to Exile
Ancestral Visions
Brainstrom
Ponder
Duress
Thoghtseize
Wordly Tutor
Aether Vial

cc2(07):
Impulse
Demonic Tutor
Oversold Cemetery
Animate Dead
Life from the Loam
Surveival of the Fittest
Regrowth

cc3(06):
Oblivion Ring
Intuition
Recurring Nightmare
Pernicious Deed
Necromancy
Soul Manipulation

cc4(03):
Wrath of God
Gifts Ungiven
Fact or Fiction

cc5(01):
Primal Command

ccx(01):
Engineered Explosives


I know that the Manabase looks very bad, but i dont have the good lands.
Next time i´ll and Breeding Pool, Godless Shrine and ONS Fetchlands(without red) and cut Scalding Tarn, Arid Mesa, Flood Plain and Bad River.

I want add some cards, but i dont know what i can cut:
-Mind Twist
-Aven Mindcensor
-Stonecloaker
-Spike Weaver
-Zur the Enchanter
-Vindicate
-Malstrom Pulse
-Garruck Wildspeaker

My Meta is heavy Red. 3 times mono R, 2 RB Gobbos, 1 BDW and 1 random xcControl.

I hope you can help me.
Essah