UWb Control

[TeKo]

// Lands
    7 [UNH] Island
    4 [UNH] Plains
    2 [UNH] Swamp
    1 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
    1 [ON] Windswept Heath
    1 [ON] Flooded Strand
    1 [ON] Polluted Delta
    1 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
    1 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
    1 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
    1 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
    1 [ZEN] Arid Mesa
    1 Tundra
    1 Scrubland
    1 Underground Sea
    1 [RAV] Watery Grave
    1 [DIS] Hallowed Fountain
    1 [GP] Godless Shrine
    1 [TSP] Academy Ruins
    1 [FUT] Tolaria West
    1 [AQ] Mishra's Factory (3)
    1 [DK] Maze of Ith
    1 [TSP] Vesuva
    1 [TE] Wasteland
    1 [MM] Dust Bowl
    1 [AN] Library of Alexandria
    1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog

// Creatures
    1 [FD] Trinket Mage
    1 [MOR] Vendilion Clique
    1 [FUT] Aven Mindcensor
    1 [UD] Academy Rector
    1 [FUT] Venser, Shaper Savant
    1 [EVE] Glen Elendra Archmage
    1 [FD] Silent Arbiter
    1 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
    1 [ON] Exalted Angel
    1 [M10] Baneslayer Angel
    1 [CHK] Meloku the Clouded Mirror
    1 [SC] Eternal Dragon

// Spells
    1 [MR] Talisman of Dominance
    1 [MR] Talisman of Progress
    1 [FUT] Coalition Relic
    1 [DD2] Ancestral Vision
    1 [CST] Brainstorm
    1 [VI] Impulse
    1 [MR] Thirst for Knowledge
    1 [RAV] Compulsive Research
    1 [DDC] Demonic Tutor
    1 [TE] Intuition
    1 [CHK] Gifts Ungiven
    1 [TSP] Mystical Teachings
    1 [LRW] Cryptic Command
    1 [MOR] Negate
    1 [SH] Mana Leak
    1 [LG] Mana Drain
    1 [DD2] Counterspell
    1 [FUT] Pact of Negation
    1 [AL] Force of Will
    1 [VI] Tithe
    1 [WL] Argivian Find
    1 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
    1 [TE] Scroll Rack
    1 [ALA] Relic of Progenitus
    1 [10E] Pithing Needle
    1 [4E] Land Tax
    1 [CHK] Ghostly Prison
    1 [TE] Propaganda
    1 [10E] Story Circle
    1 [US] Back to Basics
    1 [ALA] Oblivion Ring
    1 [FD] Vedalken Shackles
    1 [10E] Crucible of Worlds
    1 [TE] Humility
    1 [UD] Treachery
    1 [ON] Future Sight
    1 [FD] Engineered Explosives
    1 [CST] Swords to Plowshares
    1 [CFX] Path to Exile
    1 [TE] Diabolic Edict
    1 [AP] Vindicate
    1 [DDC] Faith's Fetters
    1 [10E] Wrath of God
    1 [ZEN] Day of Judgment
    1 [PLC] Damnation
    1 [CFX] Martial Coup
    1 [FUT] Sword of the Meek
    1 [ARB] Thopter Foundry
    1 [SC] Decree of Justice
    1 [MM] Bribery
    1 [LRW] Jace Beleren
    1 [WWK] Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    1 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant
    1 [RAV] Muddle the Mixture

[TeKo]

Updated list!

[Dreamer]

Have you thought about adding the Hexmage-Depths or Thopter-Sword combos as wincons? The latter can also help in stabilising against aggro with efficient lifegain and blockers, and then simply overwhelm the opponent with flying death.

You're already running Gifts, Argivian Find and Academy Ruins which make assembling the combo ridiculously easy.

[Tabris]

I´ll agree, I just adding the combo in every deck which can run it. Since one combo part just need to be in the grave and both can be revieved with academy ruins.
Dark Depths Hex Mage dosent work so well. Would not go with it. It to easy to disrupt this one.

[TeKo]

I already thought about the combo, but what to cut for it?

I added the combo to my new list wich now contains 109 cards...
And with the higher artifact count i could consider Thirst again.

[GoblinPiledriver]

So 9 cards had to be cut.

I suggest:

1 [MM] Dust Bowl        (no other land destruction included)
1 [FD] Silent Arbiter   (don't believe he will work efficient enough, opponent surely have removal for it)
1 [PS] Dromar's Charm   (too expensive for a counter)
1 [LRW] Ajani Goldmane  (most efficient in decks with many creatures)
1 [CST] Disenchant      (too less targets)
1 [NE] Seal of Cleansing("")
1 [ON] Future Sight     (not good in here)
1 [VI] Necromancy       (not a good idea)
1 [US] Back to Basics   (you have too many nonbasics)

[TeKo]

1 [MM] Dust Bowl        Imo Bowl is really good even if I cut it I have to add a land because I dont want to go under 37 + 3 Artifacts
1 [FD] Silent Arbiter   Good against every Aggro Deck
1 [PS] Dromar's Charm   right not the best counter
1 [LRW] Ajani Goldmane  I think +2 every turn and a 1 Turn clock when you can protect him isnt that bad
1 [CST] Disenchant       Survival, Equips... maybe i cut Seal but only Vindicate Fethers and ORing arent enough to handle such things I think
1 [NE] Seal of Cleansing
1 [ON] Future Sight      never I love that card high cmc but as Rector target and shouldn't be a problem to cast
1 [VI] Necromancy        Can get Opponents creatures but I already thought about cutting it
1 [US] Back to Basics    Imo enough basics but I think can cut it

[TeKo]

Updated list after the latest bannings.


Some cards I would like to hear your opinion about:
Evasive Action (not near as good as in 5c but still a Mana Leak)

Teferi's Moat (not a real Moat but not as expensive, higher cmc but easier to cast without WW and I can still attack with all my creatures)

And maybe Perimeter Captain? Should be good against every Aggro deck.

An additional Mana Stone, what is the best besides Relic and the 2 Talisman?
UW-Signet, mind stone, chalice or others?

[Mythrandir]

well, if your deck is not too color hungry, i'd add chalice. But mind stone is fine too and so is fellwar stone.

As for perimeter captain, unless you want a cheap (â,¬â,¬â,¬) card vs ggro that's ok, otherwise it's a bit suboptimal IMO.

Wouldn't play teferi. Right now i'm even considering cutting Moat (on my 5cc), because it usually doesn't stick around.

[TeKo]

As for perimeter captain, unless you want a cheap (â,¬â,¬â,¬) card vs ggro that's ok, otherwise it's a bit suboptimal IMO.

Yea really strong first turn drop against aggro. But maybe just not good enough.

Chalice is really cool for Decree, but after the banning of Twist I think the Deck contains to much U and Ws.
Ill just test chalice and Signet.

[coldcrow]

// Lands
    1 [ZEN] Arid Mesa
    1 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
    1 [TSP] Flagstones of Trokair
    1 [ON] Flooded Strand
    1 [GP] Godless Shrine
    1 [DIS] Hallowed Fountain
    8 [H09] Island
    1 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
    1 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
    2 [H09] Plains
    1 [ON] Polluted Delta
    1 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
    1 [R] Scrubland
    2 [H09] Swamp
    1 [LG] The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
    1 [FUT] Tolaria West
    1 [R] Tundra
    1 [R] Underground Sea
    1 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
    1 [TSP] Vesuva
    1 [TE] Wasteland
    1 [RAV] Watery Grave
    1 [ON] Windswept Heath
    1 [OV] Library of Alexandria
    1 [LG] Karakas
    1 [MM] Dust Bowl
    1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
    1 [PLC] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    1 [DK] Maze of Ith

// Creatures
    1 [FUT] Aven Mindcensor
    1 [AP] Desolation Angel
    1 [EVE] Glen Elendra Archmage
    1 [FD] Trinket Mage
    1 [MOR] Vendilion Clique
    1 [FUT] Venser, Shaper Savant

// Spells
    1 [ST] Armageddon
    1 [FUT] Coalition Relic
    1 [DD2] Counterspell
    1 [PLC] Damnation
    1 [DS] Darksteel Ingot
    1 [DDC] Demonic Tutor
    1 [BD] Diabolic Edict
    1 [IN] Dismantling Blow
    1 [M10] Duress
    1 [FD] Engineered Explosives
    1 [ZEN] Expedition Map
    1 [DD2] Fact or Fiction
    1 [AL] Force of Will
    1 [7E] Force Spike
    1 [V09] Gifts Ungiven
    1 [AT] Hymn to Tourach
    1 [BD] Impulse
    1 [HOP] Innocent Blood
    1 [WWK] Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    1 [DDD] Liliana Vess
    1 [LG] Mana Drain
    1 [9E] Mana Leak
    1 [PLC] Mana Tithe
    1 [7E] Memory Lapse
    1 [UL] Miscalculation
    1 [MM] Misdirection
    1 [TSP] Mystical Teachings
    1 [CFX] Path to Exile
    1 [WL] Phyrexian Furnace
    1 [M10] Pithing Needle
    1 [P3] Ravages of War
    1 [RAV] Remand
    1 [V09] Sensei's Divining Top
    1 [RAV] Shadow of Doubt
    1 [RAV] Shred Memory
    1 [OD] Skeletal Scrying
    1 [CST] Swords to Plowshares
    1 [MR] Talisman of Dominance
    1 [MR] Talisman of Progress
    1 [LRW] Thoughtseize
    1 [AP] Vindicate
    1 [TSP] Phyrexian Totem
    1 [LRW] Cryptic Command
    1 [ZEN] Into the Roil
    1 [SC] Stifle
    1 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant
    1 [TSP] Ancestral Vision
    1 [FUT] Pact of Negation
    1 [GP] Repeal
    1 [ALA] Relic of Progenitus
    1 [MPR] Wrath of God
    1 [M10] Doom Blade
    1 [MR] Thirst for Knowledge
    1 [RAV] Compulsive Research
    1 [MR] Chrome Mox
    1 [SC] Decree of Justice


A list I had good experiences with. Focuses more on mana denial than usual. The weak matchup is of course burn, although you can have a good game if you can open with cheap counters. Liliana is probably sub-optimal, but I have a liking for her. I started to really like shadow of doubt, served me so well vs gifts/fetches/stoneforge etc.

[TeKo]

So
-Bojuka Bog, no Survival, no Entomb so Relic should be enough.

What do you think about the new cc5 instant Damnation against Zoo/WW?
Ill definitely test it maybe add Urborg to get BB with only 1 Swamp.

[TeKo]

Updated List:
// Lands
    6 [UNH] Island
    3 [UNH] Plains
    1 [UNH] Swamp
    1 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
    1 [ON] Windswept Heath
    1 [ON] Flooded Strand
    1 [ON] Polluted Delta
    1 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
    1 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
    1 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
    1 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
    1 [ZEN] Arid Mesa
    1 [UL] Tundra
    1 [UL] Scrubland
    1 [UL] Underground Sea
    1 [RAV] Watery Grave
    1 [DIS] Hallowed Fountain
    1 [GP] Godless Shrine
    1 [TSP] Academy Ruins
    1 [FUT] Tolaria West
    1 [AQ] Mishra's Factory (3)
    1 [DK] Maze of Ith
    1 [TSP] Vesuva
    1 [TE] Wasteland
    1 [MM] Dust Bowl
    1 [WWK] Tectonic Edge
    1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
    1 [PLC] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    1 [MR] Ancient Den
    1 [MR] Seat of the Synod

// Creatures
    1 [FD] Trinket Mage
    1 [MOR] Vendilion Clique
    1 [FUT] Aven Mindcensor
    1 [FUT] Venser, Shaper Savant
    1 [EVE] Glen Elendra Archmage
    1 [FD] Silent Arbiter
    1 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
    1 [ON] Exalted Angel
    1 [CHK] Meloku the Clouded Mirror
    1 [SC] Eternal Dragon
    1 [M10] Baneslayer Angel

// Spells
    1 [MR] Talisman of Dominance
    1 [MR] Talisman of Progress
    1 [FUT] Coalition Relic
    1 [DD2] Ancestral Vision
    1 [CST] Brainstorm
    1 [VI] Impulse
    1 [MR] Thirst for Knowledge
    1 [RAV] Compulsive Research
    1 [DDC] Demonic Tutor
    1 [TE] Intuition
    1 [CHK] Gifts Ungiven
    1 [TSP] Mystical Teachings
    1 [LRW] Cryptic Command
    1 [DD2] Counterspell
    1 [FUT] Pact of Negation
    1 [AL] Force of Will
    1 [VI] Tithe
    1 [WL] Argivian Find
    1 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
    1 [10E] Pithing Needle
    1 [4E] Land Tax
    1 [CHK] Ghostly Prison
    1 [TE] Propaganda
    1 [ALA] Oblivion Ring
    1 [FD] Vedalken Shackles
    1 [10E] Crucible of Worlds
    1 [TE] Humility
    1 [UD] Treachery
    1 [FD] Engineered Explosives
    1 [CST] Swords to Plowshares
    1 [CFX] Path to Exile
    1 [TE] Diabolic Edict
    1 [AP] Vindicate
    1 [DDC] Faith's Fetters
    1 [10E] Wrath of God
    1 [ZEN] Day of Judgment
    1 [PLC] Damnation
    1 [FUT] Sword of the Meek
    1 [ARB] Thopter Foundry
    1 [SC] Decree of Justice
    1 [MM] Bribery
    1 [LRW] Jace Beleren
    1 [RAV] Muddle the Mixture
    1 [WWK] Everflowing Chalice
    1 [ROE] Consuming Vapors
    1 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant
    1 [WWK] Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    1 [LG] Mana Drain
    1 [M11] Mana Leak
    1 [PLC] Mana Tithe
    1 [7E] Force Spike
    1 [DIS] Azorius Signet
    1 [DD2] Daze
    1 [DDE] Evasive Action