Thanks to Fips (original creator of Tokenmania)
Cause some guys asked me again and again for the Tokenmania-Build... here it is in Vazdru's flavor (Fips' Deck proved itself stronger, maybe he will post it sometimes):
Lands (34)
Bloodstained Mire
Flagstones of Trokair
Flooded Strand
Forest
Forest
Forest
Forest
Forest
Forest
Gaea's Cradle
Karakas
Kher Keep
Kor Haven
Maze of Ith
Mountain
Mountain
Pendelhaven
Plains
Plains
Plains
Plains
Plateau
Reflecting Pool
Sacred Foundry
Savannah
Stomping Ground
Taiga
Temple Garden
Treetop Village
Vitu-Ghazi, City Tree
Wasteland
Windswept Heath
Wooded Foothills
Yavimaya Hollow
Creatures (27)
Academy Rector
Aven Mindcensor
Birds of Paradise
Broodhatch Nantuko
Deranged Hermit
Essence Warden
Eternal Witness
Fyndhorn Elves
Harmonic Sliver
Kamahl, Fist of Krosa
Llanowar Elves
Loxodon Hierarch
Mirror Entity
Mogg War Marshall
Priest of Titania
Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
Selesnya Guildmage
Silhana Starfletcher
Skyshroud Poacher
Squee Goblin Nabob
Stonecloaker
Thelonite Hermit
Tribal Forcemage
Utopia Tree
Viridian Zealot
Wall of Roots
Weathered Wayfarer
Artifacts (5)
Coat of Arms
Sensei's Divining Top
Spawning Pit
Sword of Fire and Ice
Thunderstaff
Enchantments (12)
Aura Shards
Earthcraft
Fecundity
Glare of Subdual
Goblin Bombardement
Mirari's Wake
Muraganda Petroglyphs
Promise of Bunrei
Squirrel Nest
Sterling Grove
Survival of the Fittest
Sylvan Library
Instants (13)
Artifact Mutation
Aura Mutation
Chord of Calling
Condemn
Crop Rotation
Echoing Courage
Eladamri's Call
Enlightened Tutor
Rith's Charm
Scatter the Seeds
Sprout Swarm
Summoner's Pact
Swords to Plowshares
Sorceries (6)
Decree of Justice
Overrun
Regrowth
Saproling Symbiosis
Spontaneous Generation
Sylvan Scrying
Planeswalker (2)
Ajani Goldmane
Garruk Wildspeaker
An interesting concept, something which I will put together and test some day. I see some questionable points though: How does this deck handle mass removal as the deck seems to fail after that?
I've been toying with a similar idea to use the old standard powerhouse, Opposition thus leaning the build more towards blue. I remember SquirrelOpposition to be one serious contender on its heydays. Adding more lock elements, like Static Orb (http://www.wizards.com/magic/displaythemedeck.asp?set=worldchampionshipdecks2001&decknum=2&lang=en). The deck could take more out of the tokens by adding synergetic cards, like Tradewind Rider.
I did a little research regarding to this 'tokenmania' and it seems "Fips" has been piloted it quite well: http://www.magicplayer.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1489
Quote from: VazdruBtw. Fips hat beim 5. GP 5-2 mit demselben Deck gespielt.
Still, without the way to deal with mass sweep, I don't see how this would become a serious contender (So would love to see Fips build as well).
The deck recovers quite well even against mass removal like Wrath of God or Damnation especially if you have Spawning Pit, Fecundity and/or Goblin Bombardement.
Fips played 4-1-2 in 3rd GP and 5-2-0 in 5th so altogether 9-3-2 - not too bad.
Every kind of Aggro Deck is a 80%+ MU, I've played with my uw-skies 1-3 vs his Tokenmania. The problem for him was combo (the only loss in 3rd gp) or Enchantments like Moat, Coll. Restraint or Deed and of course The Tabernacle.
well, i´ve played against this deck quite a couple of times. and mass removal isnt that bad... token producing lands are annyoing and effective against WOG, damantion and the likes... specially if he has some kind of creature pump (mirari wake, coat of arms, etc..) on the other hand tabernacle, moat and collective work quite well against this deck, but u better watch out for aura shards...
My deck for the tournament in Frankfurt tomorrow. Any comments?
// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)
// Lands
1 [U ] Badlands
1 [B ] Bayou
1 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
6 [AT] Forest
1 [US] Gaea's Cradle
1 [ALA] Jund Panorama
1 [TSP] Kher Keep
1 [DK] Maze of Ith
1 [AQ] Mishra's Factory (1)
3 [UG] Mountain
1 [MOR] Mutavault
1 [RAV] Overgrown Tomb
1 [LG] Pendelhaven
1 [ON] Polluted Delta
1 [GP] Stomping Ground
5 [UG] Swamp
1 [A] Taiga
1 [TSP] Terramorphic Expanse
1 [UL] Treetop Village
1 [PLC] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 [SH] Volrath's Stronghold
1 [TE] Wasteland
1 [ON] Windswept Heath
1 [ON] Wooded Foothills
// Creatures
1 [RAV] Birds of Paradise
1 [SHM] Boartusk Liege
1 [UL] Bone Shredder
1 [EVE] Creakwood Liege
1 [RAV] Dark Confidant
1 [UL] Deranged Hermit
1 [LRW] Elvish Harbinger
1 [PLC] Essence Warden
1 [FD] Eternal Witness
1 [ALA] Fleshbag Marauder
1 [IA] Fyndhorn Elves
1 [JU] Genesis
1 [AT] Goblin Matron
1 [ON] Goblin Sharpshooter
1 [ALA] Hissing Iguanar
1 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
1 [U ] Llanowar Elves
1 [LRW] Marsh Flitter
1 [TSP] Mogg War Marshal
1 [LRW] Mudbutton Torchrunner
1 [SHM] Murderous Redcap
1 [CHK] Nezumi Graverobber--Nighteyes the Desecrator
1 [US] Phyrexian Ghoul
1 [CHK] Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 [SC] Siege-Gang Commander
1 [ALA] Sprouting Thrinax
1 [MM] Squee, Goblin Nabob
1 [TSP] Thelonite Hermit
1 [MI] Wall of Roots
1 [EVE] Wicker-Bough Elder
1 [SHM] Wort, the Raidmother
// Spells
1 [IN] Artifact Mutation
1 [EVE] Beckon Apparation
1 [MOR] Bitterblossom
1 [TO] Chainer's Edict
1 [RAV] Chord of Calling
1 [U ] Demonic Tutor
1 [TE] Diabolic Edict
1 [PS] Diabolic Intent
1 [ALA] Dragon Fodder
1 [US] Duress
1 [US] Fecundity
1 [LRW] Garruk Wildspeaker
1 [LRW] Gilt-Leaf Ambush
1 [TE] Goblin Bombardment
1 [PLC] Harmonize
1 [DIS] Hit/Run
1 [MOR] Hunting Triad
1 [TSP] Krosan Grip
1 [ALA] Necrogenesis
1 [OD] Overrun
1 [LRW] Primal Command
1 [DS] Reap and Sow
1 [EX] Recurring Nightmare
1 [ALA] Sarkhan Vol
1 [RAV] Scatter the Seeds
1 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
1 [9E] Slate of Ancestry
1 [DS] Spawning Pit
1 [MM] Spontaneous Generation
1 [FUT] Sprout Swarm
1 [EX] Survival of the Fittest
1 [LG] Sylvan Library
1 [MR] Sylvan Scrying
1 [LRW] Thoughtseize
Tournament Results, Frankfurt 29.12.
The decklists of the top players you'll find here: http://www.magicplayer.org/forum/index.php?topic=169.msg1395#new
My Matches with Tokenmania:
1. UG-Survival feat. LoA - 2:0 I've won twice because of an early Survival
2. UW-Aggro-Control (1st placed Player) - 0:1 Almost won this game but Parallax Tide + Bounce twice ripped off my lands - it was the only game I've lost with an active Survival, unfortunately he had Stonecloaker :/
3. UW-Skies (my Build! - he got it from his friend via ICQ) - 1:2 Usually a quite good Match-Up for my Tokenmania BUT One game i was land-screwed rather Winter Orbed and one game I've lost to an equipped Soltari Priest after Sharpshooter + Murderous Redcap killed his whole board of Vendillion Clique, Flying Men + Curiosity, Lantern Kami + Mother of Runes - i had leathal spell on the stack in game 3 and he was tapped out but he Forced of Will it and won next turn.
4. RDW-Gobbos - 1:2 Usually a good Match-Up for me. I've lost first match with Bitterblossom + Dark Confidant turn 2 and 3 (too greedy, maybe Confidant isn't that good in a deck like this). Second game i've won with 5 tokens + Overrun. Third game he would have been dead next turn, had no cards in hand and me on LP 4. He told me he would still have some options to win this game and faced up his top card of his library ..... Pulse of the Forge!
GGs - if i had the luck on my side i would have definately won more matches - but this way it was quite frustrating.
ps. A friend of mine played Barren-Glory-Combo-Deck-WB and reached place 5! (3-1, only defeat vs RDW)
pps. My limited pool was great with Broodmate Dragon, Sarkhan Vol, Oblivion Ring, great G-Fatties but like everyone of us knows u still need some luck which i didn't had
ppps. At least I've won the final Draft - a format i do not know anything about - unbelievable
Barren Glory? :o
Do you have a Decklist?
btw, its nice to see that our forum here is an etablished source of highlander decklists. :)
Quote from: Georg B on 30-12-2008, 04:19:57 PM
Barren Glory? :o
Do you have a Decklist?
Yeah, that caught my attention too. Probably runs a lot of tutors + things like zuran orb, greater gargandon, claws of gix, etc. But quite, different to say the least.
Vazdru can you tells anything more? deck list would be cool, or colors, key cards.
QuoteDark Confidant turn 2 and 3 (too greedy, maybe Confidant isn't that good in a deck like this
Dark Confidant is good but you play a large pool of different CMC... things like derange hermit + siege gang is pretty though. 5 lfp in a single shot, specially against aggro.
Quotebtw, its nice to see that our forum here is an etablished source of highlander decklists. :)
yeap, even though the forum isnt that busy (specially without a league running), it´s great to see that.
Quote from: Mythrandir on 30-12-2008, 04:52:16 PM
Quote from: Georg B on 30-12-2008, 04:19:57 PM
Barren Glory? :o
Do you have a Decklist?
Yeah, that caught my attention too. Probably runs a lot of tutors + things like zuran orb, greater gargandon, claws of gix, etc. But quite, different to say the least.
Vazdru can you tells anything more? deck list would be cool, or colors, key cards.
Usually it works like this: Academy Rector in play - eot Kaervek's Spite - GG ?!?
Quote from: Vazdru on 30-12-2008, 08:34:00 PM
Quote from: Mythrandir on 30-12-2008, 04:52:16 PM
Quote from: Georg B on 30-12-2008, 04:19:57 PM
Barren Glory? :o
Do you have a Decklist?
Yeah, that caught my attention too. Probably runs a lot of tutors + things like zuran orb, greater gargandon, claws of gix, etc. But quite, different to say the least.
Vazdru can you tells anything more? deck list would be cool, or colors, key cards.
Usually it works like this: Academy Rector in play - eot Kaervek's Spite - GG ?!?
Didnt recall that one, BBB means it´s heavy on black. WB deck probably, perhaps some splashes? kaervek's spite puts the opponent on a very, very tight clock :P
BTW: congrats on winning the draft ;)
Philip Banschbach aka Fips, Mannheim 4-1
Artefact Mutation
Aura Mutation
Birds of Paradise
Bloodstained Mire
Boreal Druid
Broodhatch Nantuko
Captain Sisay
Chord of Calling
Coat of Arms
Condemn
Crop Rotation
Decree of Justice
Deranged Hermit
Devoted Druid
Earthcraft
Eladamri's Call
Enlightened Tutor
Essence Warden
Eternal Witness
Fecunity
Fertile Imagination
Flooded Strand
Forest
Forest
Forest
Forest
Forest
Forest
Forest
Forest
Forest
Forest
Forest
Forest
Forest
Forest
Fyndhorn Elves
Gaea's Cradle
Garruk Wildspeaker
Genesis
Hit/Run
Kamahl, Fist of Krosa
Karakas
Kher Keep
Kor Haven
Library of Alexandria
Llanowar Elves
Maze of Ith
Mirror Entity
Mountain
Muraganda Petroglyphs
Natural Order
Oblivion Ring
Overrun
Plains
Plains
Plains
Plateau
Priest of Titania
Primal Command
Promise of Bunrei
Reap and Sow
Regrowth
Relic of Progenitus
Rhys the Redeemed
Rith's Charm
Rofellos, Llanowar Emisary
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Saproling Symbiosis
Savannah
Scatter the Seeds
Seed spark
Selesnya Guildmage
Sensei's Divining Top
Skyshroud Poacher
Soul Warden
Spontaneous Generation
Sprout Swarm
Squirrel Nest
Survival of the Fittest
Swords to Plowshares
Sylvan Library
Sylvan Scrying
Taiga
Temple Garden
Thelonite Hermit
Thunderstaff
Tinder Wall
Treetop Village
Utopia Tree
Viridian Zealot
Vitu-Ghazi, City Tree
Wall of Roots
Wasteland
Wickerbough Elder
Wilt-Leaf Liege
Windswept Heath
Wooded Foothills
Wordly Tutor
Yavimaya Elder
Okay, here's my version. Not the greatest deck ever, but fun to play. Many nice cards didn't make the cut.
// Lands (33)
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Stomping Ground
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
1 Graven Cairns
1 Twilight Mire
2 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Snow-Covered Swamp
1 Pendelhaven
1 Mountain
1 Swamp
1 Sulfurous Springs
1 Karplusan Forest
1 Llanowar Wastes
2 Forest
1 Badlands
1 Treetop Village
1 Polluted Delta
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Taiga
1 Bayou
1 Reflecting Pool
1 City of Brass
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Blood Crypt
1 Barbarian Ring
1 Savage Lands
1 Wasteland
1 Rishadan Port
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// Creatures (35)
1 Elves of Deep Shadow
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Llanowar Elves
1 Fyndhorn Elves
1 Boreal Druid
1 Noble Hierarch
1 Plagued Rusalka
1 Greater Gargadon
1 Wirewood Herald
1 Mogg War Marshal
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Dark Confidant
1 Mesmeric Fiend
1 Tarmogoyf
1 Viridian Zealot
1 Phyrexian Ghoul
1 Nantuko Husk
1 Sprouting Thrinax
1 Eternal Witness
1 Caller of the Claw
1 Goblin Sharpshooter
1 Hissing Iguanar
1 Thelonite Hermit
1 Braids, Cabal Minion
1 Boartusk Liege
1 Creakwood Liege
1 Murderous Redcap
1 Marsh Flitter
1 Flametongue Kavu
1 Phyrexian Plaguelord
1 Skullmulcher
1 Mycoloth
1 Siege-Gang Commander
1 Deranged Hermit
1 Shriekmaw
1 Furystoke Giant
1 Arc-Slogger
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// Spells (32)
1 Chrome Mox
1 Mox Diamond
1 Duress
1 Thoughtseize
1 Worldly Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Tainted Pact
1 Bitterblossom
1 Terminate
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Dragon Fodder
1 Goblin Bombardment
1 Survival of the Fittest
1 Fists of Ironwood
1 Gaea's Anthem
1 Squirrel Nest
1 Putrefy
1 Fecundity
1 Goblin Assault
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Tangle Wire
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Recurring Nightmare
1 Natural Order
1 Sarkhan Vol
1 Garruk Wildspeaker
1 Pattern of Rebirth
1 Scatter the Seeds
1 Overrun
1 Chord of Calling
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Yeah, looks decent. Some cards I don't like are Mox Diamond (low land count), Phyrexian Plaguelord (doesn't do enough for its high cost), Arc Slogger (doesn't fit to theme :P ), Skullmulcher (at least when I tried this I never wanted to eat anything).
Also Natural Order seems a bit sad without any bombs except Mycoloth. You could try to fit in some kind of reanimation/natural order engine with some beef.
I'd also fit in Genesis and Volrath's Stronghold somehow since most of the time you will be tutoring for Survival for Witness for Genesis for something probably.
Also Moggcatcher, Imperial Recruiter, Goblin Matron and Earthcraft are pretty good but I don't know if there are room for all of them.
Oh yeah and mad tech would be Helm of Possession!
I agree with so_not's card dislikes. Personally I don't like Phyrexian Arena either.
Anyway, cool deck. You could try Life/Death in the deck?
Skullmulcher and Arena have been nice, but I could shave on expensive creatures to bring down curve. I had Regal Force as a tutor target, but realized then it only gives cards for green creatures. Maybe something else juicy enough, suggestions welcome. Genesis and Stronghold should give the deck some late game, I'm just wary on adding colourless lands. Helm of Possession is truly meh, but I'd rather add some one-shot capture effects like Grab the Reins. Imperial Recruiter I had forgot, it's a definite addition.
I am thinking about building a Highlander deck where the opponent is swarmed with tokens.
The deck I am currently compiling is B/G/R
Token producers:
- Dragon Broodmother
- Mycoloth
- Goblin Assault
- Bitterblossom
- B/G-Liege
- Ant Queen
- Weirding Shaman
- Sprout Swarm
- Siege Gang Commander
- Rakka Mar
- Rhys the Redeemed
- Necrogenesis
- Giant Baiting
Alternative win options:
- Last Ditch effort
- Hissing Iguanar
- Goblin Bombardment
Support:
- Sarkhan Vol
- Garruk Wildspeaker
- Overrun
- Demonic Tutor
- Doubling Season
- Junt Charm
- Giant Growth
- Lightning Bolt
- Incinerate
- Banefire
- Thoughtseize
- Dark Banishing
- Doom Blade
- Putrefy
- Smother
- Birds of Paradise
- Llanowar Elves
- Naturalize
- Volcanic Fallout
Any thoughts?
If you're planning on flooding the board (sorry, I mean battlefield) then maybe Gaea's Anthem to suddenly double the amount of damage the tokens can do.
Volcanic Fallout is high-leverage; sure it can clear things out if they're not going your way but if they are then it's simply a dead card. (On the other hand, I include WoG in my WW deck, so I understand where you're coming from ;)) Also , if you want board sweepers, maybe Damnation
Other token producers you might consider are Imperious Perfect, Deranged Hermit, Squirrel Nest, Thelonite Hermit. Scatter the Seeds might be useful (with Convoke)
Artifact/enchantment hate is good; I like Krosan Grip better than Naturalize.
Sensei's Divining Top helps any deck smooth out draws.
Mana artifacts (if you're in 3 colors) can help; maybe Darksteel Ingot, maybe Obelisk of Jund, maybe Coldsteel Heart.
Might consider also graveyard hate (can be very crucial in HL); things like Relic of Progenitus; Shred Memory (since you're in black) can also tutor for 2CC spells. I happen to like Withered Wretch but I think others here will disagree with that ::).
Depending on your lands, Life from the Loam could be useful (coupled with the new Gargoyle Castle, for instance, although the Castle might be too slow).
And one idea that can work well in a deck like this, depending on how high-leverage you really want to go: Biorhythm!
Anyway, just some thoughts off the top of my head. Post a decklist (incl. lands) when you can!
Thanks for the input!...I put some more cards (and lands together)...
Token producers:
Dragon Broodmother
Mycoloth
Goblin Assault
Bitterblossom
B/G-Liege
Ant Queen
Weirding Shaman
Sprout Swarm
Siege Gang Commander
Rakka Mar
Rhys the Redeemed
Necrogenesis
Giant Baiting
Scatter the Seeds
Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician
Alternative win options:
Last Ditch effort
Hissing Iguanar
Goblin Bombardment
Support:
Sarkhan Vol
Garruk Wildspeaker
Overrun
Demonic Tutor
Doubling Season
Junt Charm
Giant Growth
Lightning Bolt
Incinerate
Banefire
Thoughtseize
Dark Banishing
Doom Blade
Putrefy
Smother
Birds of Paradise
Llanowar Elves
Krosan Grip
Volcanic Fallout
Gaea's Anthem
Sensei's Divining Top
Relic of Progenitus
Shred Memory
Stupor
Victimize
Reanimate
Regrowth
Maze of Ith
Hunting Wilds
Search for Tomorrow
Xathrid Demon
Tukatongue Thallid
Lands
Reflecting Pool
Badlands
Bayou
Taiga
Savagelands
Shockland BR
Shockland BG
Shockland GR
m10 br
m10 gr
Wasteland
Firewild Borderpost
Veinfire Borderpost
Farseek
? Swamps
? Mountains
? Forests
you should take a look at this: http://www.magicplayer.org/forum/index.php?topic=112.0 ...
There are more tokens decks in our deck clinic: try the search option :)
This is the deck I am currently trying to get working...It's a BGR-Version of a Token-Deck. I studied your versions running GRW but I think that Black is a bit better in supporting the deck while White's token producers (Outpost / Vitu-Ghazi / Ravnica creatures) are not really needed...In terms of removal I consider both colors equal.
Found some very interesting cards in this thread (Thanks a lot!).
There are some cards I am not completely sure about yet...
Token producers:
Ant Queen
Artifact Mutation
Bitterblossom
Creakwood Liege
Dragon Broodmother
Dragon Fodder
Giant Baiting
Goblin Assault
Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician
Mycoloth
Necrogenesis
Rakka Mar
Rhys the Redeemed
Scatter the Seeds
Siege Gang Commander
Sprout Swarm
Sprouting Thrinax
Alternative win options:
Furystoke Giant
Goblin Bombardment
Hissing Iguanar
Last Ditch effort
Support:
Animate Dead
Banefire
Birds of Paradise
Boartusk Liege
Chord of Calling
Coat of Arms
Terror
Demonic Tutor
Diabolic Intent
Doom Blade
Devoted Druid
Essence Warden
Eternal Witness
Fecundity
Fyndhorn Elves
Gaea's Anthem
Garruk Wildspeaker
Genesis
Hit_Run (RUN!!!)
Goblin Matron
Goblin Sharpshooter
Hunting Wilds
Incinerate
Loxodon Warhammer
Krosan Grip
Lightning Bolt
Llanowar Elves
Maze of Ith
Overrun
Putrefy
Reanimate
Regrowth
Relic of Progenitus
Roffelos
Sarkhan Vol
Search for Tomorrow
Sensei's Divining Top
Shred Memory
Smother
Thoughtseize
Deathbringer Thoctar
Victimize
Violent Outburst
Worldly Tutor
Lands
? Forests or Mountains or Swamps
? Forests or Mountains or Swamps
? Forests or Mountains or Swamps
? Forests or Mountains or Swamps
? Forests or Mountains or Swamps
? Forests or Mountains or Swamps
? Forests or Mountains or Swamps
? Forests or Mountains or Swamps
? Forests or Mountains or Swamps
Terramorphic Expanse
Badlands
Bayou
Blood Crypt
Bloodstained Mire
City of Brass
Farseek
Fire-Lit Thicket
Firewild Borderpost
Gaea's Cradle
Graven Cairns
Dragon Skull Summit
Rootbound Crag
Overgrown Tomb
Pendelhaven
Reflecting Pool
Savage Lands
Stomping Ground
Taiga
Treetop Village
Twilight Mire
Veinfire Borderpost
Wasteland
Windswept Heath
Wooded Foothills
Mishra's Factory
Well i think black is for tokens worse than white. Cards like Promise of Bunrei, Rith`s Charm are better than any black cards.
Giant Baiting- The token is only one turn there, so this is a straight aggro card.
Goblin Assault- You had to shoot the way clear for this, can you really rely on this.(I like this card but a useful use is very difficult)
Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician- You don`t want to sacrifize mountains into goblins, and when you need the 4damage abiltiy he will be shooted down.
Last Ditch effort- You cant sacrifice 20 tokens and achieve victory over this card, even a attack with all creatures and use this card after combat is not useful. You had to wait to long for the right moment with this card so it is better to not play it.
Animate Dead- There hasd to be big creature already in grave to use this card right. So this is not a useful idea.
Reanimate- The same here but you loose also life.
Skullmulcher- He is 3/3 for 5 and draws 3 or 3 cards but then you have nothing more. He is useless.
Violent Outburst- You cant overrun the opponent with +1/+0 so you only have another random spell. Better Bloodbraid Elf.
Xanthrid Demon.- Very expensive.
I tested Naya tokens and I think it is far better.
Quote from: GoblinPiledriver on 31-07-2009, 03:26:05 PM
Well i think black is for tokens worse than white. Cards like Promise of Bunrei, Rith`s Charm are better than any black cards.
As said...I think I have enough producers. I better concentrate removal, reanimation and tutors.
Quote from: GoblinPiledriver on 31-07-2009, 03:26:05 PM
Giant Baiting- The token is only one turn there, so this is a straight aggro card.
You miss the 'conspire' part...I have like +10 token and cast this bugger here it's gg... :D
Quote from: GoblinPiledriver on 31-07-2009, 03:26:05 PM
Goblin Assault- You had to shoot the way clear for this, can you really rely on this.(I like this card but a useful use is very difficult)
With the siege gang, the Bombardment, the Warden and my MVP (Iguanar) it's not bad. even good
Quote from: GoblinPiledriver on 31-07-2009, 03:26:05 PM
Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician- You don`t want to sacrifize mountains into goblins, and when you need the 4damage abiltiy he will be shooted down.
Could be...I'll have to test him...Maybe add a Marshal?
Quote from: GoblinPiledriver on 31-07-2009, 03:26:05 PM
Last Ditch effort- You cant sacrifice 20 tokens and achieve victory over this card, even a attack with all creatures and use this card after combat is not useful. You had to wait to long for the right moment with this card so it is better to not play it.
I really like it. The perfect answer to a opponent's wrath of god or you have the enemy down to 7 life and sac the necessary amount of creatures...Again here: If the Hissing Iguanar is out it's 2 damage per critter
Quote from: GoblinPiledriver on 31-07-2009, 03:26:05 PM
Animate Dead- There hasd to be big creature already in grave to use this card right. So this is not a useful idea.
Reanimate- The same here but you loose also life.
Reanimating the Iguanar, the Mycoloth, the broodmother, the ant queen or even the siege Gang Commander IS great ;)
Quote from: GoblinPiledriver on 31-07-2009, 03:26:05 PM
Skullmulcher- He is 3/3 for 5 and draws 3 or 3 cards but then you have nothing more. He is useless.
3 cards for 3 token is a good deal...If the Iganuar is out it's 3 damage as well.
Quote from: GoblinPiledriver on 31-07-2009, 03:26:05 PM
Violent Outburst- You cant overrun the opponent with +1/+0 so you only have another random spell. Better Bloodbraid Elf.
With loads of token out this card is good. Running into a removal, a tutor or a reanimation spell for free is certainly not bad. And hitting a Mana Elf is not bad either.
Quote from: GoblinPiledriver on 31-07-2009, 03:26:05 PM
Xanthrid Demon.- Very expensive.
I know...But it's free damage and a good 6cc creature. I am thinking about replacing him with Deathbringer Thoctar
Quote from: GoblinPiledriver on 31-07-2009, 03:26:05 PM
I tested Naya tokens and I think it is far better.
Not sure...With the drop of the Enlightened Tutor (banned) I doubt it...The tutors are so helpful.
I played Naya and Jund Tokens quite a lot and I think Piledriver is right - Naya is stronger.
Your deck looks a bit unfocussed to me with too many CC4+ spells. Have a look at "the real" build of Fips who did a great performance at GPs and regional tournaments almost everytime he took part. Cards like Doubling Season, Broodmother, Xathrid Demon and Skullmulcher are weaker by far than Coat of Arms, Derranged Hermit, Kamahl the Fist of Krosa or Primal Command.
There is missing some mana boost as well: Devoted Druid, Wall of Roots, Roffelos, Sakura-Tribe Elder.
Things like Grafted Wargear do not support the deck-theme in any way.
Okay, okay I see your points
I dropped
skullmuncher
doubling season
demon
grafted wargear
for
Roffelos
Devoted Druid
Coat of Arms
Deathbringer Thoctar
What's the opinion about 'Goblin Bushwhacker' - playable?
Goblin Bushwhacker is a aggro card. Either you play it first turn or in turn 2 or 3 for 2 mana as 2/1 haste creature(He also gives your aggro creatures +1/+0).
In a Token deck you play midrange. You play manaaccelaration Tokenmaker strong creatures and then cards like overrun to win.
And Goblin Bushwacker is neither strong nor overrun. He also costs 2 red Mana which is very hard for a deck with lots of green elements.
So he is not playable in Naya-token or Jund-token. He is better in Goblin-RDW(but i don't play him).
Hi everybody,
i´m looking for a new list of Tokenmania (Naya Version), but I only found this old topic http://www.magicplayer.org/forum/index.php?topic=112.0 (http://www.magicplayer.org/forum/index.php?topic=112.0)
Is there a new list with Elspeth Tirel and the other new "good stuff"?
Essah
decklist of Christoph Gerber aka Kavu24
Tokenmania reloaded
GP, 15 pts, place 31 of 164
http://www.magic-tutor.com/de/features/decks.details//?type=user&id=584
Lands (35)
1x Arid Mesa
1x Bayou
1x Flooded Strand
1x Gaea's Cradle
1x Godless Shrine
1x Kher Keep
1x Maze of Ith
1x Mountain
1x Plains
1x Polluted Delta
1x Savannah
1x Scrubland
1x Sunpetal Grove
1x Taiga
1x Verdant Catacombs
1x Wasteland
1x Windswept Heath
1x Wooded Foothills
1x Badlands
1x Bloodstained Mire
1x Forest
1x Gavony Township
1x Karakas
1x Marsh Flats
1x Misty Rainforest
1x Overgrown Tomb
1x Plateau
1x Sacred Foundry
1x Scalding Tarn
1x Stomping Ground
1x Swamp
1x Temple Garden
1x Volrath's Stronghold
1x Windbrisk Heights
1x Wooded Bastion
Creatures (32)
1x Academy Rector
1x Birds of Paradise
1x Deranged Hermit
1x Fauna Shaman
1x Furystoke Giant
1x Hero of Bladehold
1x Kitchen Finks
1x Llanowar Elves
1x Master of the Wild Hunt
1x Mentor of the Meek
1x Mirror Entity
1x Mother of Runes
1x Noble Hierarch
1x Sakura-Tribe Elder
1x Shriekmaw
1x Tarmogoyf
1x Avacyn's Pilgrim
1x Bloodbraid Elf
1x Eternal Witness
1x Flametongue Kavu
1x Ghave, Guru of Spores
1x Imperious Perfect
1x Knight of the Reliquary
1x Lotus Cobra
1x Mayor of Avabruck
1x Mikaeus, the Lunarch
1x Mogg War Marshal
1x Nest Invader
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Siege-Gang Commander
1x Vithian Renegades
Instants (13)
1x Artifact Mutation
1x Chord of Calling
1x Crop Rotation
1x Eladamri's Call
1x Lightning Bolt
1x Lightning Helix
1x Magma Jet
1x Midnight Haunting
1x Path to Exile
1x Raise the Alarm
1x Rith's Charm
1x Swords to Plowshares
1x Tainted Pact
Sorceries (9)
1x Arc Trail
1x Decree of Justice
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Green Sun's Zenith
1x Overrun
1x Spectral Procession
1x Sylvan Scrying
1x Timely Reinforcements
1x Vindicate
Artifact (1)
1x Sensei's Divining Top
Enchantments (5)
1x Beastmaster Ascension
1x Bitterblossom
1x Fervent Charge
1x Glare of Subdual
1x Intangible Virtue
Planeswalker (5)
1x Ajani Goldmane
1x Elspeth Tirel
1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1x Garruk Relentless
1x Garruk Wildspeaker