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#2
Meta looked healthy, but I still hate that Gifts is legal.

31 Players in total.
1   MonoR
3   GW aggro
1   5c Combo
1   5c Staxx
2   BGW Mid-Range
2   UR aggro control
1   5c Dragon Control
1   UW Rebels
2   UBG Animator
1   RG Aggro
1   Bant
1   MonoU Aggro
1   Ugb Control
1   MonoR Goblins
2   UW Control
1   UB Control
1   UG Aggro Control
1   Dark Zoo
1   Heartbeat Combo
1   BR Goblins
1   Aluren-Swans
1   BGW Combo
2   Zoo
1   BG Rock

1. Öhman Janne â€" BGW Combo
// Lands
   1 [R] Bayou
   1 [R] Savannah
   1 [R] Scrubland
   1 [ZEN] Arid Mesa
   1 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
   1 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
   1 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
   1 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
   1 [ON] Polluted Delta
   1 [ON] Flooded Strand
   1 [ON] Wooded Foothills
   1 [ON] Windswept Heath
   1 [RAV] Overgrown Tomb
   1 [SH] Volrath's Stronghold
   1 [RAV] Temple Garden
   1 [TE] Wasteland
   1 [SHM] Plains (4)
   2 [UG] Swamp
   1 [GP] Godless Shrine
   1 [FUT] Horizon Canopy
   1 [US] Gaea's Cradle
   1 [US] Phyrexian Tower
   1 [IA] Snow-Covered Swamp
   2 [IA] Snow-Covered Forest
   1 [IA] Snow-Covered Plains
   2 [ZEN] Forest (3)
   1 [M10] Sunpetal Grove
   1 [AP] Caves of Koilos
   1 [IA] Brushland
   1 [AP] Llanowar Wastes
   1 [WWK] Stirring Wildwood

// Creatures
   1 [CHK] Sakura-Tribe Elder
   1 [SC] Carrion Feeder
   1 [ROE] Bloodthrone Vampire
   1 [MI] Wall of Roots
   1 [MOR] Reveillark
   1 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
   1 [UD] Yavimaya Elder
   1 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
   1 [UD] Academy Rector
   1 [ROE] Wall of Omens
   1 [SH] Wall of Blossoms
   1 [FD] Eternal Witness
   1 [10E] Birds of Paradise
   1 [CFX] Noble Hierarch
   1 [IA] Fyndhorn Elves
   1 [FNM] Llanowar Elves
   1 [ON] Nantuko Husk
   1 [US] Phyrexian Ghoul
   1 [M10] Vampire Aristocrat
   1 [ALA] Tidehollow Sculler
   1 [RAV] Dimir House Guard
   1 [DK] Elves of Deep Shadow
   1 [CFX] Knight of the Reliquary
   1 [ZEN] Lotus Cobra
   1 [LRW] Shriekmaw
   1 [ARB] Qasali Pridemage
   1 [WWK] Arbor Elf
   1 [FUT] Fleshwrither
   1 [CS] Boreal Druid
   1 [TSP] Saffi Eriksdotter
   1 [TO] Mesmeric Fiend
   1 [CHK] Yosei, the Morning Star
   1 [UL] Karmic Guide
   1 [WWK] Terastodon
   1 [M10] Elvish Visionary
   1 [M11] Fauna Shaman
   1 [M11] Viscera Seer
   1 [DIS] Protean Hulk
   1 [M11] Obstinate Baloth

// Spells
   1 [ROE] Eldrazi Conscription
   1 [VI] Natural Order
   1 [IA] Swords to Plowshares
   1 [LRW] Thoughtseize
   1 [M10] Duress
   1 [UD] Pattern of Rebirth
   1 [PS] Eladamri's Call
   1 [EX] Recurring Nightmare
   1 [MOR] Idyllic Tutor
   1 [R] Demonic Tutor
   1 [ARB] Maelstrom Pulse
   1 [AP] Vindicate
   1 [TE] Living Death
   1 [PS] Diabolic Intent
   1 [RAV] Chord of Calling
   1 [PT] Sylvan Tutor
   1 [MI] Worldly Tutor
   1 [JU] Cabal Therapy
   1 [UD] Yawgmoth's Bargain
   1 [FD] Night's Whisper
   1 [ZEN] Grim Discovery
   1 [LRW] Primal Command
   1 [OD] Tainted Pact
   1 [ROE] Inquisition of Kozilek
   1 [UL] Crop Rotation
   1 [AP] Phyrexian Arena
   1 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top

2. Hyvärinen Mikko â€" UB Control ”Klonkun Pitkä Yö”
Dust Bowl
Wasteland
Mishra's Factory
Thawing Glaciers
Faerie Conclave
Watery Grave
Underground Sea
Flooded Strand
Poluted Delta
Scalding Tarn
Verdant Catacombs
Bloodstained Mire
3x Swamp
2x Snow-Covered Swamp
12x Island

Chrome Mox
Mind Stone
Dimir Signet
Talisman of Dominance
Wayfarer's Bauble
Nightscape Familliar
Force Spike
Disrupt
Memory Lapse
Mana Drain
Counterspell
Miscalculation
Mana Leak
Remand
Condescend
Power Sink
Dissipate
Hinder
Forbid
Exclude
Circular Logic
Rewind
Cryptic Command
Thwarth
Dismiss
Desertion
Force of Will
Misdirection
Innocent Blood
Ghastly Demise
Diabolic Edict
Legacy's Allure
Powder Keg
Recoil
Repulse
Vedalken Shackles
Control Magic
The Abyss
Damnation
Barter in Blood
Treachery
Ancestral Vision
Brainstorm
Sensei's Divining Top
Twincast
Trade Routes
Shadow of Doubt
Impulse
Demonic Tutor
Merchant Scroll
Tainted Pact
Flash of Insight
Intuition
Thirst of Knowledge
Fact or Fiction
Gifts Ungiven
Mystical Teachings
Deep Analysis
Gush
Future Sight
Crucible of the Worlds
Back to Basics
Meloku, the Clouded Mirror
Psychatog
Glen Elendra Archmage
Masticore
Persecute
Annex
Upheaval
Divert
Prohibit

3. Immonen Mika â€" UW Control - ”Last Dread Dust or Bust”
Wall of Omens
Wall of Denial
Kitchen Finks
Trinket Mage
Academy Rector
Solemn Simulacrum
Baneslayer Angel
Meloku, the Clouded Mirror
Exalted Angel
Eternal Dragon
Elspeth, Knight-Errant
Jace Beleren
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Kideon Jura
Pithing Needle
Chrome Mox
Tormond's Crypt
Sensei's Divining Top
Mindslaver
Talisman of Progress
Azorius Signet
Disenchant
Dismantling Blow
Bribery
Brainstorm
Intuition
Thirst for Knowledge
Fact or Fiction
Gifts Ungiven
Force of Will
Pact of Negation
Misdirection
Mana Leak
Miscalculation
Memory Lapse
Counterspell
Remand
Rune Snag
Mana Drain
Absorb
Forbid
Dissipate
Condescend
Syncopate
Cryptic Command
Day of Judgment
Wrath of God
Hallowed Burial
Condemn
Path to Exile
Swords to Plowshares
Repeal
Land Tax
Propaganda
Ghostly Prison
Oblivion Ring
Back to Basics
Fait's Fetters
Moat
Treachery
Future Sight

9 Island
3 Plains
4 Snow-Covered Island
3 Snow-Covered Plains
Windswept Heath
Arid Mesa
Polluted Delta
Flooded Strand
Scalding Tarn
Misty Rainforest
Tundra
Hallowed Fountain
Mystic Gate
Ancient Den
Seat of the Synoid
Flagstones of Trokair
Academy Ruins
Tolaria West
Wasteland
Tectonic Edge
Celestial Colonade
Mishra's Factory
Maze of Ith
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale

4. Myrskykari Samu-Pekka â€" GW Aggro/Mid-Range â€" ”Samu-Pekkaa, Samu-Pekkaa.DEC”
Savannah
Temple Garden
Windswept Heath
Flooded Strand
Arid Mesa
Wooded Foothills
Misty Rainforest
Verdant Catacombs
Marsh Flats
Wasteland
Tectonic Edge
Mishra's Factory
Mutavault
Brushland
Strirring Wildwood
Sunpetal Grove
Treetop Village
Wooded Bastion
Horizon Canopy
Flagstones of Trokair
6 Forest
6 Plains
Pendelhaven
Gaea's Cradle

Wilt-Leaf Liege
Knight of the White Orchid
Plow Under
Path to Exile
Xantid Swarm!!!!
Stoneforge Mystic
Kor Firewalker
Berserk
Kodama's Reach
Loxodon Hierarch
Lotus Cobra
Eternal Witness
Fyndhorn Elves
Progenitus
Kitchen Finks
Cultivate
Wickerbough Elder
Llanowar Elf
Swords to Plowshares
Tangle Wire
Overwhelming Stampede
Regrowth
Troll Ascetic
Sword of Fire and Ice
Sword of Light and Shadow
Congrecation at Dawn
Great Sable Stag
Noble Hierarch
Isamaru, Hound of Konda
Chameleon Colossus
Baneslayer Angel
Birds of Paradise
Dauntless Escort
Sakure-Tribe Elder
True Belliever
Loam Lion
Winter Orb
Rancor
Natural Order
Gaea's Herald
Garruk Wildspeaker
Ajani Goldmane
Ranger of Eos
Serra Avenger
Knight of the Reliquary
Figure of Destiny
Eladamri's Call
Soltari Priest
Soltari Monk
Mother of Runes
Qasali Pridemage
Gaddoc Teeg
War Priest of Thune
Scutemob
Watchwolf
Armageddon
Aven Mindcencor
Basilisk Collar
Obstinate Baloth
Oblivion Ring
Student of Warfare
Worldly Tutor
Relic of Progenitus
Wilt-Leaf Cavaliers
Viridian Shaman
Krosan Grip

5. Pyyhtiä Tuomas â€" Aluren-Swans
Lands (27):
1 Savannah
1 Volcanic Island
1 Tropical Island
1 Tundra
1 Underground Sea
1 Taiga
1 Bayou
1 Scrubland
1 Badlands
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Flooded Strand
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Polluted Delta
1 Ancient Tomb
1 City of Traitors
1 Havenwood Battleground
1 Ebon Stronghold
1 Tendo Ice Bridge
1 Gemstone Mine
1 City of Brass
1 Forbidden Orchard
1 Gemstone Caverns
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
1 Island
1 Forest
1 Swamp

Some more mana (18):
1 Simian Spirit Guide
1 Elvish Spirit Guide
1 Chrome Mox
1 Mox Diamond
1 Lotus Petal
1 Lotus Bloom
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Noble Hierarch
1 Dark Ritual
1 Talisman of Dominance
1 Talisman of Progress
1 Golgari Signet
1 Simic Signet
1 Dimir Signet
1 Grim Monolith
1 Fellwar Stone
1 Pentad Prism
1 Manamorphose

Disruption & Protection (12):
1 Inqusition of Kozilek
1 Duress
1 Thoughtseize
1 Silence
1 Orim's Chant
1 Abeyance
1 Daze
1 Mana Leak
1 Evasive Action
1 Mana Drain
1 Force of Will
1 Pact of Negation

Utility (3):
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Reanimate
1 Regrowth

Tutors & Draw (27):
1 Sylvan Tutor
1 Wordly Tutor
1 Peek
1 Portent
1 Ponder
1 Brainstorm
1 Preordain
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Wordly Counsel
1 Impulse
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Tainted Pact
1 Diabolic Vision
1 Lim-Dûl's Vault
1 Eladamri's Call
1 Cruel Tutor
1 Beseech the Queen
1 Rhystic Tutor
1 Intuition
1 Grim Tutor
1 Muddle the Mixture
1 Clutch of the Undercity
1 Dimir Infiltrator
1 Dimir Houseguard
1 Insidious Dreams
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Gifts Ungiven

Combos (12):
1 Aluren
1 Imperial Recruiter
1 Man-o'-War
1 Cavern Harpy
1 Spike Feeder
1 Raven Familiar
1 Wall of Roots
1 Eternal Witness

1 Angel's Grace
1 Ad Nauseam

1 Swans of Bryn Argoll
1 Chain of Plasma

Win (1):
1 Conflagrate

6. Happonen Pasi â€" LightU Bant
Flooded Strand
Wooded Foothills
Scalding Tarn
Polluted Delta
Windswept Heath
Verdant Catacombs
Misty Rainforest
Marsh Flats
Tundra
Savannah
Tropical Island
Temple Garden
Pendelhaven
Brushland
Stirring Wildwood
Sunpetal Grove
Snow-Covered Plains
Snow-Covered Forest
Snow-Covered Island
5 Plains
9 Forest
2 Island      

Noble Hierarch
Fyndhorn Elves
Birds of Paradise
Arbor Elf
Mother of Runes
Wall of Blossoms
Wall of Roots
Fauna Shaman
Wall of Omens
War Priest of Thune
Gaddock Teeg
Qasali Pridemage
Steward of Valeron
Watchwolf
Great Sable Stag
Eternal Witness
Troll Ascetic
Aven Mindcensor
Stonecloaker
Serendib Efreet
Dauntless Escord
Knight of the Reliquary
Kitchen Finks
Wilt-Leaf Cavaliers
Trygon Predator
Rhox War Monk
Wickerbough Elder
Ravenous Baloth
Academy Rector
Glen Elendra Archmage
Solemn Simulacrum
Mystic Enforcer
Loxodon Hierarch
Rafiq of the Many
Genesis
Indrik Stomphowler
Deranged Hermit
World Queller
Rampaging Baloth
Sun Titan
Exalted Angel
Sovereigns of Lost Alara

Condemn
Path to Exile
Swords to Plowshares
Ancestral Vision
Repeal
Sensei’s Divining Top
Sylvan Library
Eladamri’s Call
Krosan Grip
Oblivion Ring
Intuition
Behemoth Sledge
Sword of Light and Shadow
Sword of Fire and Ice
Momentous Fall
Garruk Wildspeaker
Abundance
Worship
Wrath of God
Day of Judgement
Fact or Fiction
Gifts Ungiven
Eldrazi Conscription

7. Väisänen Aarne â€" UGr Heartbeat Combo - ”No pakotetaan Aarne pelaan”
13 Island
11 Forest
3 Mountain
2 Snow-Covered Island
2 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Snow-Covered Mountain
Sensei's Divining Top
Nature's Lore
Into the North
Rampant Growth
Sylvan Library
Mana Reflection
Moment's Peace
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Constant Mists
Nostalgic Dreams
Harmonize
Tangle
Search For Tomorrow
Kodama's Reach
Recollect
Edge of Autumn
Three Visits
Regrowth
Explosive Vegetation
Farseek
Harrow
Eternal Witness
Far Wanderings
Heartbeat of Spring
Restock
Early Harvest
Rude Awakening
Utopia Sprawl
Lull
Wild Growth
Impulse
Timespiral
Compulsive Research
Concentrate
Relearn
Time Strech
Capture of Jingzhou
Brainstorm
Drift of Phantasms
Counterspell
Palinchron
Meditate
Mind's Desire
Memery Lapse
Fact or Fction
Foresee
Timewarp
Careful Consideration
Stroke of Genius
Mana Leak
Intuition
Muddle the Mixture
Remand
Future Sight
Temporal Manipulation
Merchant Scroll
Turnabout
Ponder
Delay
Negate
Braingeyser
Gifts Ungiven
Time Reversal
Recoup
Mana Flare
Banefire
Rolling Trhunder
Invoke the Firemind

8. Kontio Antti â€" BR Goblins - ”Onks sulla mulle dekkiä, jos tuun huomenna pelaan”
9 Swamp
14 Mountain
Wasteland
Graven Cairns
Blood Crypt
Auntie's Hovel
Badlands
Bloodstained Mire
Dragonskull Summit
Urborgh, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Mutavault

Goblin Matron
Magus of the Moon
Mad Auntie
Taurean Mauler
Squeakiing Pie Sneak
Goblin Ruinblaster
Goblin Chieftain
Goblin Piledriver
Gempalm Incinerator
Vexing Shusher
Spaksmith
Flametongue Kavu
Frenzied Goblin
Warren Instigator
Shriekmaw
Goblin Buswhacker
Slavering Nulls
Goblin Deathriders
Goblin Recruiter
Earwig Squad
Goblin Guide
Goblin Sharpshooter
Goblin Lackey
Frogtosser Banneret
Skirk Prospector
Siege-Gang Comander
Moggcatcher
Zo-Zu the Punisher
Goblin King
Tuktuk Scrapper
Wort, Boggart Auntie
Goblin Warchief
Tattermunge Maniac
Mogg Warmarshal
Dark Confidant
Murderour Redcap
Goblin Ringleader
Mogg Raider
Mudprowler Cohort
Knucklebone Witch
Goblin Sledder

Terror
Patriarch's Bidding
Thoughtseize
Chain Lightning
Duress
Chrome Mox
Blood Moon
Winter Orb
Smash to Smitherens
Terminate
Blightning
Warren Weirding
Grafter Wargear
Lightning Bolt
Snuff Out
Lash Out
Dralnu's Crusade
Tarfire
Phyrexian Arena
Doomblade
Recless Charge
Aether Vial
Goblin Grenade
Unearth
Sword of Fire and Ice
Demonic Tutor
Living Death
#3
Demonic Tutor, Mind Twist anf Gifts Ungiven. All three are cards that will be present in every good control deck despite of it's colors. Why do you keep cards that are this powerfull, and easy to splash, legal? It's just forcing people to play/splash black and blue. I recently cut black from few of my decks just because I'm growing sick to play these cards in every deck. They do fine like this, but I know they would do better with black splash. Fear for B2B and moons ain't enough to stop people playing these in every control deck. Gifts again is way too powerfull to stay unbanned. It's card advantage and 2x tutor at same time at instant speed. I really hope it's not gonna get defended the same way as Library. "It requires skill to use". Skilled player already has advantage in the game you don't need to help them more. Banning any of these three cards or Library wouldn't kill any deck. From what I hear no one would miss any of these cards. You ban Jitte to take some luck from aggro mirrors and then do the opposite to control decks by unbanning Library. Your goal to make the banned list as small as possible has gone too far.

This wasn't meant as straight attack against the council. Still it seems it will sound like one. For that I'm sorry.
#4
Deck Lists / UR Staxx
12-01-2010, 12:37:12 PM
Academy Ruins
Ancient Tomb
City of Traitors
Dust Bowl
Flooded Strand
Great Furnace
15 Island
Maze of Ith
Misty Rainforest
3 Mountain
Polluted Delta
Rishadan Port
Scalding Tarn
Seat of Synoid
Steam Vents
Volcanic Island
Wasteland

Ancestral Vision
Chrome Mox
Mox Diamond
Tormond's Crypt

Black Vise
Brainstorm
Condescent
Force Spike
Goblin Welder
Power Sink
Sensei's Divining Top

Counterspell
Daze
Fellwar Stone
Fire // Ice
Grim Monolith
Impulse
Izzet Signet
Jace Beleren
Mana Drain
Mana Leak
Mind Stone
Miscalculation
Muddle the Mixture
Negate
Pyroclasm
Relic Barrier
Remand
Reshape
Starstorm
Talisman of Dominiance
Talisman of Impulse
Talisman of Indulgence
Talisman of Progress
Transmute Artifact
Winter Orb
Copy Artifact

Compulsive Resarch
Coalition Relic
Crucible of Worlds
Crystal Shard
Darksteel Ignot
Firespout
Propaganda
Ring of Gix
Static Orb
Tangle Wire
Thirst for Knowledge
Trinket Mage
Vedalken Shackles
Worn Powerstone

Cryptic Command
Dream Tides
Erratic Portal
Fact or Fiction
Gifts Ungiven
Icy Manipulator
Smokestack
Thran Dynamo

Chandra Nalaar
Force of Will
Future Sight
Gilded Lotus
Misdirection
Mishra's Helix
Tezzeret the Seeker
Thoughtcast

Burning of Xinye
Mindslaver
Wildfire

Sundering Titan

I need to cut 4 cards. Which ones? Is Black Vise just one too many victory condition?

Cards I would love to fit in:
B2B
Blood Moon
Tidings
Concentrate
Voltaic Key

Don't own Tabernacle or Workshop so please leave them out.
#5
Banned List & Rules / Read Jitte again?
20-01-2009, 09:38:17 PM
One reason for Jitte's banning was "Because the equipped creature only needs to deal damage, not combat damage, Jitte is almost always impossible to handle.". I went to read my Jitte over and over again. It always reads combat damage. I even went to read the card on oracle (http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDetails.aspx?&id=81979) and it says combat damage too. I like the fact Jitte means you have to have hate against it in any deck. But the answers are not that hard to find. Tons of good artifact destruction can be fit in any deck and Jitte hates any creature that can sacrife itself for anything. I don't really see why you think it's so powerfull. I remember winning a draft game during the times of Kamigawa when my opponent played turn 1 creature and turn 2 jitte. And no he didn't run out of creatures nor did I destroy the Jitte. Turn 3 equip just turns Glacial Ray into nice wasted turns 1 and 3. I think I can live with it's banning, but I have serious problems keeping myself alive with that sentence in the reasons list. If you really thought the card doesn't say combat damage, please unban it :) If not, please remove those words in the reasons list, makes someone look like he doesn't know what he is doing. Don't hate me for this, cheers.