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JK League 05.08.2017

1. Hittel, Matthias - Ub Wizards
2. Yusubov, Alexandr - WW
3. Dieulangard, Romain - Jeskai Midrange
4. Schäffer, Dirk - 4C Blood
5. Diefenbach, Claus - 4C Oath
6. Kropf, Marco - 4C Blood
7. Neuf, Sabine - RDW

JK-League 29.07.2017

1. Rosenberger, Alexander - Esper Superfriends
2. Kropf, Marco - 4C Blood
3. Hittel, Matthias - Art Combo
4. Schallenberg, Stephan - 4C Blood
5. Dieulangard, Romain 6 - Bant Midrange
6. Ehrle, Philip 6 - RDW
7. Zarges, Florian - Mono G Ramp
8. Jaafari, Nor -
9. Helmstädter, Moritz - 4CBlood
10. Kaiser, Benny -
11. Zanotti, Danilo - Naya Midrange

I never argumented in a way that I said I had no good results with the deck therefore it is bad. I said that I tried in a couple of tournaments and played with it a while to get an impression how strong the deck is after all that complainments here in this forum.

In fact I played it in 3 tournaments with 10, 8, 16 players and became 1st, 2nd and 4th with this deck but I never had the feeling it is unbeatable. I lost 2 games in three tournaments to 4C Blood and Scapeshift. But in several other testing games I lost games in the described way in one of my former posts.

I also did´t say that 4C is the best deck. I said it is not good for a format where one deck is all around plus it finishes well in top 8s often plus winning big tournaments...

Nevertheless it would be a plessure to continue this discussion in Maintal on Saturday.

CU there :-)

I mean you say:

Normaly everbody has to play this deck because it is by far the best deck. It is just not that dominant because nearly everyone plays it wrong (except maybe Silberhase ;-))

BUT:

Do you really think the whole players (except players in Berlin who recognize the strength) are not able to build their own opinion and they all are wrong because the deck plays a minor role in their metagame ?

I still don´t get the point. Vazdru showed the results from the last couple of (big) tournaments. And the deck was not nearly as dominating as 4C Blood was and is. So why do we discuss all the time about niche combo decks which play a minor role in the overall metagame ?

I still think it is a kind of berlin thing and the metagame is healthy (except the high numbers of 4C Blood decks) :-)

I do not want do defend combo decks but I think the council does not good weaken combo with adding key cards to the banned list.

I mean if this changes, the council can react and change something but at this point I still do not feel this is necessary.

Don´t get me wrong. I personally don´t want o get fetchlands or duals banned. My point is that I think, that only a few of experienced players are able to play these Combo decks with success but neither dominate each tournament with it. So why is there a need to ban cards played in these decks ?

Silberhase explained that he put a lot of work in his Deck and played it for about 3 years. He gets rewarded sometimes with good results in some tournements others don´t.

My point is, if the council decides to add "draw seven spells" or key cards for some decks (Academy, Bazaar etc.) to the banned list, we get a Meta full of Goodstuff Decks and nothing else. I want diversity in our format.

I understand that the Berlin players are unhappy to have one, in their view dominating Deck (or well Combo player) in their field and try to fix that problem.

There are two points:

1. Berlin thinks everybody don´t see the problem because nobody trys the deck or understands how broken those combo decks are.
2. Everybody else shrugs the shoulders because these decks just play a minor role in their enviroment (which does not mean that nobody had tried it)

I tried this artefact deck at some HL events in Frankfurt and in my point is not the most consistent deck. Sure sometimes you have the nuts but most likely you don´t. And even if you have the nuts you sometimes loose to a well pointed counter or discard spell or a wasteland... 

Sure, if you play a deck full of creature hate it gets hard to win against combo. But isn´t it a kind of metagamecall ?

The key question is:

Do we want to have combo decks in our format or not ?

If not, the right weapon is to ban "draw 7" spells. But again I am more afraid of a scissor, stone, paper format than of the existence of combo decks which (played by experienced players) get some good results.

If that decks have a high % in the metagame and consitently wins tournaments or place guys in top 8, we could think about it again. But at this point it doesn´t.

I read a lot about crying for the need of banning tolarian academy in the last months (years ?). But I totaly agree in Vazdru´s and DerStefan´s Statements. In Frankfurt the guys are crying because they get rid of playing against 4C an there are voices to ban fetchlands or duals just to weaken one deck. Overall we have to have Combo Deck in our format and due to the fact that we have no sideboard you always have to think about the richt mix of your spells.

If the council acts like Wizards for banning decisions they rely on tournament results and Metagame presence. So what is wrong to act in the same way ?

From this point the council has to make more thoughts of getting rid of that 4C Blood deck because it is by far the most played deck and wins big tournaments very often.

This discussion about banning single cards (Academy) which allows single strategies is exhausting. In Frankfurt we talked about the Artefact Combo Deck and tested a bit with it. In my opinion it is a strong deck, but as every combo deck it has problems with counterspells and disruption plus it has to kill on turn 4 constantly because for example RDW or even 4C Blood have suche a hard clock.

Overall, I can understand that it is annoying to play against this deck sometimes but I don´t think its is unhealthy for the format. 

The Grixis List is basicly the list from Luca MGM Top 8 with minor changes (6-8 cards). Jeskai twin is not available, sorry.

05.03.2016

Final Standings:

1. Matthias Hittel Grixis Twin 10 pts
2. Markus Deutscher Jeskai Twin 10 pts
3. Martin Zimmermann MUC 9 pts
4. Arne Logisch Creatureless Esper 9 pts
5. Tobi Radloff MonoG Eldrazi 9 pts
6. Marco Kropf 4C Blood 6 pts
7. Nils Huther RDW 6 pts
8. Alexandr Yusubov White Weenie 6 pts
9. Denis Sinner Esper Midrange 3 pts
10. Tobi Knötgen Jeskai Midrange 3 pts
11. Sebastian Groh Bant 3 pts
12. Nor Jaafari RDW 3 pts
13. Tobi Müller Pattern 3 pts
14. Stephan Schallenberg Grixis 3 pts

plus 2 drops (decks unknown)

I think Jochen remembered a game against Steffen who was playing a deck containing the mentioned cards in a former tournament...

Promole vs Baghira 1:2

Baghira writes more details.

I drop

@joern

I pm'ed you. Please let me know when we can play our match.

Possible for me is:
Wednesday 20.30
Thursday 20.30

Please pm me.

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In Frankfurt we will try to establish another Highlander tournament regulary as a FNM. Jens was so kind to give us the space to possibly reach new players. Feel free to join.

Here the link.

http://pmtg-forum.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=10992

3 decks added (including MUC)

http://www.mtgpulse.com/event/20905#297704