Started by pyyhttu, 30-06-2008, 12:32:09 PM
Quote from: VazdruSeen this?Sturmgott wrote (http://www.magicplayer.org/forum/index.php?topic=31.0):
Quote from: pyyhttu on 30-06-2008, 11:31:31 PMQuote from: VazdruSeen this?Sturmgott wrote (http://www.magicplayer.org/forum/index.php?topic=31.0):Yeah, I've seen all that... I have this whole board mirrored via RSS feed in my reader and know what has been posted and when. Perhaps you should re-check my original post, notice that I already referred to that very same thread and then proceed to delete your post so it won't clutter this thread, I'll do the same for this then What I meant by the reasoning of the "past bannings" is that I'd like to know the similar facts that led to the bannings of Dust Bowl, Imperial Seal, Lion's Eye Diamond, Memory Jar, Mind Over Matter... to name but a few.For example, I know the banning of Dust Bowl is explained by Sturmgott here but I have no idea what exactly is being said, unless I commit a silly babelfish translation...I really would like to promote this format where I live, but the lack of documentation of your format for the English speaking majority makes it really hard. At least explanation of your past bannings should be covered.Or am I asking too much?
QuoteMalz77 sagte zum Thema "der Man aus Finnland":...hat zumindest schon von Hajo eine kurze Antwort bekommen. Also nicht rumreden, wenn man keinen Ãœberblick darÃ¼ber hat, was Ã¼berhaupt passiert. Ich schaffe es einfach momentan neben der Arbeit nicht, alle historischen BegrÃ¼ndungen fÃ¼r Bannings ins englische zu Ã¼bersetzen... das kÃ¶nnte ja auch mal irgendwer anderes machen (damit bist jetzt gar nicht Du Vazdru gemeint), die Sachen sind ja online und fÃ¼r jeden einsehbar.
Quote from: pyyhttu on 02-08-2008, 07:43:35 PM@Vazdru: I don't want this to get to off-topic babble about bannings itself as just wanted to raise the topic in order to demand some love for us international players as well: Tell us in depth about the most recent bannings and about the past bannings when time allows.So far no love of any kind.I was promised by Hans Joachim HÃ¶h "complete explanations in the upcoming weeks."I know that I'm not in the position to demand anything, but if this council wants to uphold at least any credibility, now would be the time to step out and at least answer to the whole community in this thread what's going on.-- Tuomas
Quote from: magicplayer.org translation date: 1.7.2008On 01.07.2008 the following changes to the banned list are made. These changes become active 15.07.2008. Banned: * Cephalid Illusionist * Dread Return * Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker * Painter's Servant * Chain of Plasma Unbanned: * - Watchlist: * + Hermit Druid * + Life from the Loam * - Aluren * - Dreamhalls * - Mana Severance * - Mishra's Workshop * - Yawgmoth's Bargain Reasoning The deck: Cephalid Breakfast After extensive testing, the deck, which Oliver Malina won the lasthighlander grand prix with, has turned out to be to strong for thehighlander format. Therefore we take an action. Cephalid Illusionist The Cephalid Illusionist is a mere combo card in contrast to theHermit Druid, which is often played in decks without enabling acombo. While having the disadvantage (with respect to the HermitDruid) to need an additional card (Shuko, Lightning Greaves, anyEn-Kor) to fill the graveyard, it has the big advantage of doing thiswithout having to wait for summoning sickness to wear off. Moreover,it has the striking virtue of only filling the graveyard as full asits controller wants it to. With the Hermit Druid in contrast it is"top or flop", such that the combo needs to be thoroughly protectedwhen using him. Dread Return Since the combo is still possible via the Hermit Druid we havethoroughly pondered whether the hermit needs to go too. Many playerslike this card very much (it is gladly played as an utility creature)and it has never made a ban-worthy appearance. Therefore we havedecided not to destroy the combo deck completely but to hinder it forthe time being. So far the Hermit Druid, together with Narcomoeba andAcorn Harvest or Chatter of the Squirrel, has been a single cardcombo. Now a player needs at least the reanimation in hand (or bringit into his hand) to win the game. Since, in our opinion, the HermitDruid can not remain while Dread Return is in theformat, the latter has to leave. Should Hermit Druid turn out to betoo abusable, then it can potentially change its place with DreadReturn in one of the next banning seasons. Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker For us the next best two card combo seemed to be Buried Alive +Reanimate that ends the game, via Kiki-Jiki, Pestermite and KarmicGuide, by infinite Pestermites with haste. Since additionally thiscombo can be build mono-colored this seemed sufficiently threating totake pre-emptive measures. Painter's Servant The two card combo of Painter's Servant and Grindstone, that ends thegame for 6 mana from hand at any time, but can as well be started onturn three, is also known from other formats. Since it can beintegrated into any deck, as both parts are artifacts, it is perceivedas too simple and also too powerful. Therefore we ban the Painter'sServant for good. Chain Of Plasma Chain of Plasma needs to leave since the combo with Swans of BrynArgol is too good. According to our tests of rather untuned builds ofthe deck this will prevent combo dominance in the highlander format.Since the Swans yield interesting board situations while the Chain isjust another 3 for 2 burn spell, we have decided to keep the swan inthe format. Watch List: Life from the Loam Due to the coming mechanic "Retrace" that allows spells (that havethis ability) to be played from the graveyard by additionallydiscarding a land (yes, this is possible again and again) and for thefact that it is not clear what cards with retrace there will be, Lifefrom the Loam is put on the watchlist. It is clear to us that Lifefrom the Loam is a card that has a strong influence on the format,which means that further bannings are to be expected if Life from theLoam needs to leave. Generally problematic: Combo Even though it is not yet an official part of the banning policy, itshould be clear from the discussions that the highlander council doesnot approve of pure combo decks as tier 1 decks. For a major part ofthe players combo is the most hated deck type, since the doings of thecombo players opponent are mostly irrelevant for the combo player.This leads to a minimal interaction which cannot desirable. At thesame time we are aware that we proclaimed to shape the format such asto have as many different decks and archetypes be tier 1 as possible.From now on we will deviate consciously from the presentstrategy and will make the format more friendly towards non-comboplayers. It is also clear to us that we may fall from grace with thefriends of combo but we have intensively weighed the wishes andinterests of the players. In the end we have decided to take this stepand we will follow this way consequently. First and foremost the highlander format shall be about fun. Combodecks are no fun for most of the players, especially not from theother side of the table. Interaction remains to be the main target ofour banning policy and will, in our opinion, be ensured more stronglyby this step.
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